Being a Jew illegal.. sometimes

[denso13]

how did his behaviour meet the requirement?

Likely to cause a breach of the peace.

 

[IT Minion]

how did his behaviour meet the requirement?

Was he shouting abuse - no
Was he harassing the marchers - no
was he trying to take their banners away - no
was he calling them nasty names - no

You seem to be demanding that he be allowed to actually breach the peace before any action could be taken?

But the police aren't there to mop up the blood after that happens, they have to try to prevent it.

The commissioner said the officer feared there was a danger of violence or disorder if Falter and those with him came into direct contact with the Palestinian marchers, and thus was correct to stop the antisemitism campaigner.

Rowley said: “The public would be horrified if we said: well, it’s obvious if those two groups come together, there’s going to be a massive fight. We’ll stand back and wait till it happens and we’ll pick up the pieces afterwards.”

It was not a single person.
It was not a single person trying to cross the road.
It was a group of people who weren't part of a protest deliberately trying to disrupt the march.

The officer correctly identified what was going on and took the right action, before putting his foot in his mouth.

 

[joe384]

Peaceful until needlessly provoked.

Victim blaming.

Provoked by crossing the road in front of a group of people? This literally happens all the time in a busy high street.

Are women walking home in the evening provoking rapists just by walking along?

 

[motorbiking]

You seem to be demanding that he be allowed to actually breach the peace before any action could be taken?

But the police aren't there to mop up the blood after that happens, they have to try to prevent it.


It was not a single person.
It was not a single person trying to cross the road.
It was a group of people who weren't part of a protest deliberately trying to disrupt the march.

The officer correctly identified what was going on and took the right action, before putting his foot in his mouth.

there were breaches of the peace, but not by him.
strange that they were ignored.

 

[JohnD]

Only in the court of dumb and dumber.

Did you ever find the RNLI spare billion in cash? You were certain they had it.

Is that the magic Court inside you head, where you find women guilty of crime if they are not conservatives?

 

[IT Minion]

there were breaches of the peace, but not by him.
strange that they were ignored.

That's a different point though. He and his 'friends' were clearly planning to disrupt the march, as the officer correctly identified. I don't think you disagree that it was his intent given all we know now? The officer on the scene has to make an assessment and he clearly got it right as confirmed by the Met commissioner.

That would probably have resulted in a breach of the peace and the police have to try to prevent that.

If other people were breaking the law nearby that's not good, but that doesn't mean the officer was wrong to stop him. Nor is an offensive banner as significant as trying to physically disrupt a march. Of the two the officer should absolutely have focused on the counter protestors as there was more chance of a risk of violence.

 

[motorbiking]

Crossing the march would have caused a minor disruption. The disruption is substantially less than the disruption caused by the march itself.

It is not a breach of the peace to cause some disruption to a protest.

 

[IT Minion]

Crossing the march would have caused a minor disruption. The disruption is substantially less than the disruption caused by the march itself.

It is not a breach of the peace to cause some disruption to a protest.

He didn't want to cross. When he demanded to be allowed to cross the officer offered to help him cross in an arranged location. He refused.

When you start lying to the police about what you want then they aren't going to take your word that you're going to behave.

Name one protest march where counter protesters were allowed to mingle with the march. I'd be amazed if you can think of any.

 

[joe384]

That's a different point though. He and his 'friends' were clearly planning to disrupt the march, as the officer correctly identified. I don't think you disagree that it was his intent given all we know now? The officer on the scene has to make an assessment and he clearly got it right as confirmed by the Met commissioner.

From the footage it looks like he is alone, there are a few guys hanging around (mostly people filming) but nothing to suggest he is with a group of people.

The times he tries to cross the road I don't see anyone else being shoved around

There is no evidence to suggest he is "planning" anything

 

[IT Minion]

From the footage it looks like he is alone, there are a few guys hanging around (mostly people filming) but nothing to suggest he is with a group of people.

The times he tries to cross the road I don't see anyone else being shoved around

There is no evidence to suggest he is "planning" anything

He wasn't alone. There's other footage showing it from a different film crew, I think it was a sky crew, rather than the one he brought along himself. That shows he was not alone and it is confirmed by the officer and the Met commissioner.

He had brought a film crew along, just think about that. I don't know how you roll but that's not what I do when I'm out for a random Saturday afternoon stroll. Of course he was planning something.

 

[Andydevon]

Some time ago the Police were criticized for their attitude. For example driving while black, in possession of a thick pair of lips. Socialists lead the criticism and change from this abhorrent stereotypical focusing of a segment of society.

I find it ironic and not a little sad that those that challenged this attitude with some success now actively support begin threatened by arrest for being Jewish. They farcically challenge anyone who does not follow their dogma and reject any reference to what actually happened or what the actual legislation says.

 

[joe384]

He didn't want to cross. When he demanded to be allowed to cross the officer offered to help him cross in an arranged location. He refused.

When you start lying to the police about what you want then they aren't going to take your word that you're going to behave.

Name one protest march where counter protesters were allowed to mingle with the march. I'd be amazed if you can think of any.

I believe the officer offered to escort him down the road somewhere else (where there were infact some counter protesters). He refused because he wanted to cross the road here

There was nothing to suggest he was protesting that day, he in fact claimed he had never been at any of the other protests over the 6 months

Have you ever been to London on a weekend? It is literally impossible to go anywhere without being caught up in a protest. You shouldn't have to be forced to make a massive detour to cross the street

 

[noseall]

You are allowed to cross the road in London, yes. Regardless of who is walking along the road.

Nonsense.

Have you ever been to London? Have you ever seen a road cordoned off and the inconvenience it causes to those that are not allowed to cross the street? Freedoms my arse.

 

[joe384]

He wasn't alone. There's other footage showing it from a different film crew, I think it was a sky crew, rather than the one he brought along himself. That shows he was not alone and it is confirmed by the officer and the Met commissioner.

He had brought a film crew along, just think about that. I don't know how you roll but that's not what I do when I'm out for a random Saturday afternoon stroll. Of course he was planning something.

The footage I've watched is the sky news In Full. I see a lot of camera phones but you can't prove anyone there was with him

 

[transam]

If the Palestinian death toll is about right then the Israelis have killed more than in the Bosnian Genocide and more women and children. It's possibly triple the Rohingya genocide. As a proportion of the population being killed it's huge, WW2 levels of deaths.

The Israeli government leaders have stated their aim is to ethnically cleanse Gaza and the West bank.

And most people agree with that Israel is committing war crimes. Most people think that Israel is going too far in its attacks on Gaza. Quite a few disagree but you are a minority and even if knowing that won't change your mind you should know that you are an outlier.

Nonsense

You can peddle yer genocide narrative but afai am concerned it’s a load of baloney