Better braking performance in dry conditions when worn

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Usually, you are persuaded not to go as low as 1.6 milli because the tyre performance drops off a cliff.

Apparently not so with the CrossClimate 2.

You can probably tell I'm looking for a new set of rubber for the Honda!
 
Even slick tyres have great braking performance in the dry, its in the wet that counts! That's the reason for treads being there.
John :)
 
Would also argue that when my tyres are getting worn, they are say 1 or 2 years old.
Much older than the 'worn' tyres they are testing.
And at that point I find my 'old & worn' tyres are also less flexible and are 'dryer' than when new.
And hence detrimentally effect my braking distance over new tyres both in dry and wet conditions.

Old worn tyres (even 4 season) are not the same as new tyres.
Sfk
 
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SFK said:
Would also argue that when my tyres are getting worn, they are say 1 or 2 years old
Much older than the 'worn' tyres they are testing.
And at that point I find my 'old & worn' tyres are also less flexible and are 'dryer' than when new.
And hence detrimentally effect my braking distance over new tyres both in dry and wet conditions.
sfk
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Dead right....soft, new rubber makes a world of difference on a motor bike - no reason for cars to be different.
John :)
 
Do you really need a cross climate tyre, SS?
My opinion here, no one elses.....
For - Great in adverse, snowy conditions.
Against - road noise, stiffer rubber increases sensitivity to road bumps, when cornering you can definitely feel the tread blocks squirming a bit, Cost.
John :)
 
I do like my CClimat tyres.
Got me out of snowed in CarParks which are not plowed.
And alows me to not wory about changing wheather (ie snow) if/when I drive up/down the country and into higher regions of country.

However, does not help me if snow is deep and all the oter cars have summer tyres as will be stuck behind them.
 
Burnerman said:
Do you really need a cross climate tyre, SS?
My opinion here, no one elses.....
For - Great in adverse, snowy conditions.
Against - road noise, stiffer rubber increases sensitivity to road bumps, when cornering you can definitely feel the tread blocks squirming a bit, Cost.
John :)
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We don't get a lot of the white stuff where I live (at least, not since 2009/10), but I like their mix of abilities. In particular, I like tyres that have superior wet braking ability. I also like that when the temperature drops, they perform better than Summer tyres.

Our Honda FR-V is currently wearing CrossClimate+ tyres, which have been great. These have since been superseded by CC 2.

The boys' Mitsubishi SpaceStar arrived with us wearing Landsail ditch finders, but I almost immediately went out and got 5 Bridgestone Weather Control A005s. Again, these have been superseded, in this case by WC A005 Evo.

I read/ watch a lot of tyre reviews, always keen to know the latest developments. But the more you watch, the more you find different conclusions. I'm not sure why, but some place the Michelins above the Bridgestones, others vice versa.

Auto Express's latest All-season tyre test (2021) does not include M CC 2 tyres as they were unavailable at the time. Why they did not include the current CC tyre I'm not sure.

Their top three are:

Vredestein Quatrac

Bridgestone Weather Control A005 Evo

Hankook Kinergy 4S2

Tyre reviews' top All-season tyre is the CC 2.

If you go purely off the tyre label ratings, the WC Evo has superior wet braking performance over the Michelin, Hankook or the Vredestein.

Does anyone have any experience or views about these for tyres?
 
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Does anyone have any experience or views about these for tyres
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yes I’ve used cross climate tyres for years, ever since the councils cut down on gritting roads.

The performance in the wet is great - I’ve had the Michelin cross climates and the Bridgestones, both are excellent tyres. I can’t say I’ve noticed any difference between the 2, but then I don’t drive my car hard so don’t push their capabilities.

cross climate tyres seriously lose their ability to grip in snow once they get past say a third worn - because it’s the tread, especially little cuts known as sipes which bite into the snow.
 
Not sure about the Hankooks. I had them (the brand not that particular tyre) years ago on a Maestro. Used to go regularly to Micheldever Tyre near Winch.

They seemed to be a good balance of performance and price.

Do I stick with what we have had for years, try the Bridgies or strike out and try the Auto Express winner??
 
I am on my third set of cross climate on both cars.
Their performance is very evident in the wet.
Also, if you get them, buy the extra load (don't know if they still do the standard ones).
They have harder walls and the car doesn't wobble when you change lane at speed, especially estates.
Said that, with the cross climate you'll never get to the legal thread limit because after 4 years they become harder and don't wear much anymore, but you feel that they don't grip as well as when new.
When I first tried them on my passat estate it felt like the car was on rail and since then it's the only tyre I buy.
 
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However, does not help me if snow is deep and all the oter cars have summer tyres as will be stuck behind them.
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Same problem as I've had after digging out (no pun intended) my classic 4x4. If the road is blocked by stalled cars I'm still not going anywhere.

nb. I had my old BMW fitted with X Climates two years ago, but took them off because I found them a bit noisy. Still have them though, stored in a dark place, hopefully this will slow down the aging process.
 
Cheers, guys.

I'm sure both tyres are good (they both certainly have their devotees), but as I know and trust the CCs, I think I will stick with them.
 
I use Pirelli Scorpion Verde on my Ford Edge.
Grip well, wear well on a 2 ton tank, on my fourth set at 95k miles, fairly quiet.
 
Our Kuga runs Continental Sport Contact 5 SUV all year round and never had a problem.
 
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