Bibby Bargain Barge?

[Brigadier]

Are you really going to give it another go by travelling back from somewhere to wherever to spend another 3k.

When in Rwanda, and rejected, does the failed applicant stay in Rwanda?
If not, where do they go?
And at whose expense?

 

[Roy Bloom]

What would you do ?

spend 3k euro getting from wherever to the U.K. in horrible conditions. Cold, sea sick, wet. Only to arrive and spend a few nights in the U.K. before being shipped off to somewhere several thousand miles away having been told that your claim to enter the U.K. is inadmissible

Are you really going to give it another go by travelling back from somewhere to wherever to spend another 3k. Or are you maybe going to think about if you are fine just where you were.

There may be more attempts to sneak in but these boats have motors and generate heat as well as returning radar.

No-one can imagine the mindset of an asylum seeker until they've experienced that situation.

What Experiences Have Refugee Families Had? | Bonyan Organization

Refugees face a long journey before reaching a safe haven and settling in.

bonyan.ngo

Refugee journeys: Flight from persecution & resettlement figures

Refugees flee because it is unsafe to live at home. Flight from persecution often involves difficult and dangerous ordeals along the way. Many refugees are forced to flee at night in the midst of conflict and confusion.

www.roads-to-refuge.com.au

About Refugees

Refugee children may feel relieved when they are resettled in the US. However, the difficulties they face do not end upon their arrival.

www.nctsn.org

Syrian Refugee Children Stories : Life as a Refugee

Read the stories of Syrian children who had to flee their homes in a war-torn country. Find out how you can donate to help Syrian refugee children.

www.savethechildren.org

 

[Roy Bloom]

When in Rwanda, and rejected, does the failed applicant stay in Rwanda?
If not, where do they go?
And at whose expense?

They're repatriated........to the UK.
At the expense of the UK.

 

[motorbiking]

how have you concluded that?

 

[Roy Bloom]

how have you concluded that?

Read the Agreement.
You can take that as a statment of what I've already done, or as advice for something for you to do.

And the chances of asylum seekers being sent to Rwanda, currently stands at 0%.
Even when the full 200 are sent to Rwanda, the chances of any individual being sent after arrival in UK is about 1%

Additionally, the Rwanda plan has already proven to be a failure:

Under a plan by Israel, an African country (which was initially unnamed) agreed to accept up to 20,000 male migrants. An unknown number were deported, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ultimately conceded that the country involved was Rwanda. Most of the men deported fled Rwanda, while others reported difficulty finding work. The scheme failed when the country's supreme court suspended deportations in 2018

Rwanda asylum plan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[motorbiking]

You sure

Read the Agreement.
You can take that as a statment of what I've already done, or as advice for something for you to do.

Maybe you should read the actual treaty

UK-Rwanda treaty: provision of an asylum partnership (accessible)

www.gov.uk

 

[carmanmemoranda]

70%. How many then? You don’t know. But you want to open the door anyway.

The others will pay traffickers.

You don't know either, or do you ?

 

[motorbiking]

They're repatriated........to the UK.
At the expense of the UK.

So now that we have all read the actual treaty. We can safely say this is boll@x.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

What does this actually mean?

It means he is Swervey mcswerve

 

[motorbiking]

well I answered.. didn't I. Trolly mcTrolly

 

[JonathanM]

When in Rwanda, and rejected, does the failed applicant stay in Rwanda?

The failed applicant stays in Rwanda unless the UK asks for them to be returned here (or unless they voluntarily decide to leave Rwanda). Also, I think, they can be deported back to the UK if found guilty of serious crimes.

 

[Roy Bloom]

So now that we have all read the actual treaty. We can safely say this is boll@x.

I'm not interested in your opinion.
Please post the quoted part, along with sufficient details for anyone to find it, that disagrees with what I said.

 

[motorbiking]

JonathanM managed. Read Article 10, you claimed you already had

Article 10: Assurances as to treatment
For those recognised as refugees by Rwanda, Rwanda shall grant the Relocated Individual refugee status and provide the same level of support and accommodation as a Relocated Individual seeking asylum, integration into society and freedom of movement in accordance with the Refugee Convention. Those recognised as refugees shall be treated in accordance with the Refugee Convention and international and Rwandan laws. At a minimum, Rwanda agrees to provide the support and accommodation listed in Part 2 of Annex A. Any Child who forms part of a Family with an adult Relocated Individual who is granted refugee status, shall be granted the same status as that adult Relocated Individual.
For those who are not recognised as refugees, Rwanda shall consider whether the Relocated Individual has another humanitarian protection need, such that return to their country of origin would result in a real risk of their being subject to inhuman, degrading treatment or torture or a real risk to their life. Where such a protection need exists, Rwanda shall provide treatment consistent with that offered to those recognised as refugees (as set out in Article 10(1)) and permission to remain in Rwanda. Such persons shall be afforded equivalent rights and treatment to those recognised as refugees and shall be treated in accordance with international and Rwandan laws. At a minimum, Rwanda agrees to provide the support and accommodation listed in Part 2 of Annex A. Any Child who forms part of a Family with an adult Relocated Individual whose protection need is recognised, shall be granted the same status as that adult Relocated Individual.
No Relocated Individual (even if they do not make an application for asylum or humanitarian protection or whatever the outcome of their applications) shall be removed from Rwanda except to the United Kingdom in accordance with Article 11(1). The Parties shall cooperate to agree an effective system for ensuring that removal contrary to this obligation does not occur, which includes systems (with the consent of the Relocated Individual as appropriate) for returns to the United Kingdom and locating, and regularly monitoring the location of, the Relocated Individual.
For those Relocated Individuals not falling under Articles 10(1) and 10(2), Rwanda shall:
a. regularise that person’s immigration status in Rwanda, so as to ensure a right to remain in Rwanda in the form of a permanent residence permit;
b. provide adequate support and accommodation for the Relocated Individual’s health and security in accordance with Part 1 of Annex A, from arrival in Rwanda until such a time as their status is regularised in accordance with Article 10(4)(a);
c. once their status is regularised, grant the rights and treatment as set out in Part 2 of Annex A;
d. grant any Child who forms part of a Family with that Relocated Individual the same status, rights and treatment as the Relocated Individual.
5. Nothing in this Article requires Rwanda to take steps to prevent a Relocated Individual from leaving Rwanda should the Relocated Individual so wish.

6. When the Relocated Individual to whom refugee status has been granted or whose humanitarian protection need is recognised, is a Child, Rwanda shall, when considering what status to grant a parent or guardian of that Child, give primary consideration to the rights and best interests of the Child in accordance with international law (including maintenance of the family unit) (noting that unaccompanied children shall not be relocated to Rwanda under this Agreement).

 

[Roy Bloom]

The failed applicant stays in Rwanda unless the UK asks for them to be returned here (or unless they voluntarily decide to leave Rwanda). Also, I think, they can be deported back to the UK if found guilty of serious crimes.

So they're chucked out onto the street, with any vestige of support (legal, accomodation, food, etc) for them, from UK being ended.
Destitute, in a foreign country, no chance of work, unable to speak the language, not recognised as a citizen of that country?

No wonder the Israeli supreme court ended the Israeli attempts.

 

[motorbiking]

They're repatriated........to the UK.
At the expense of the UK.

Retracting this?

Read the Agreement.
You can take that as a statment of what I've already done, or as advice for something for you to do.

and this ? Since clearly you hadn't read it.