Bibby Bargain Barge?

[motorbiking]

Look over here. don't worry about the facts, here are some distracting links.

In other news everything is in the documents provided on the public portal, tendered under public procurement rules.

Its not the supplier's fault that so far there are only 70 occupants. I suspect there is a scale of charges. I have never known a framework to not include such a thing.

Or we can carry on dishonestly pretending the barge cost £1.6bn.

 

[motorbiking]

£22 million for 500 people, if that is the mini.um figure doesn't sound like a well negotiated contract to me.

If its more, well....

£22Million / 500 = £44k per person per year - how much would you charge to provide the service. Make sure you read annex A, detailing all the requirements.

Perhaps we could cut some corners.

make the occupants do the cleaning so remove sec 5, give them bread and water remove sec 4. turn the faith room in to extra bedrooms (saving sec 7). tell them to go for a jog, 8.3 gone. 24/7 free transport - get the bus sec 12 gone.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I'm going to say it again. If I had fled a genuine situation of war or other disaster and another country took me in, unless the accommodation was (in the true sense) absolutely dire and an obvious health hazard, I'd be grateful.

However in the migrants defence, I'm convinced when they complain about stuff, most of the time they've been prepped by somebody, whether a lawyer or charity group.

 

[Notch7]

In other news everything is in the documents provided on the public portal

In the real news the £1.6b contract has had all the details redacted

tendered under public procurement rules.

Ah so public procurement rules are as follows:

A) no need for any tendering just give the contract to a Tory mate

B) redacted anything you want from public scrutiny


I can't possibly see how "public procurement rules" work in this govts favour.

 

[Roy Bloom]

£22Million / 500 = £44k per person per year - how much would you charge to provide the service. Make sure you read annex A, detailing all the requirements.

Perhaps we could cut some corners.

make the occupants do the cleaning so remove sec 5, give them bread and water remove sec 4. turn the faith room in to extra bedrooms (saving sec 7). tell them to go for a jog, 8.3 gone. 24/7 free transport - get the bus sec 12 gone.

Reductio ad absurdum

 

[Roy Bloom]

I'm going to say it again. If I had fled a genuine situation of war or other disaster and another country took me in, unless the accommodation was (in the true sense) absolutely dire and an obvious health hazard, I'd be grateful.

That situation has been passed when they've successfully escaped the country in which they're not safe.
They don't just hop on a bus, with their passports and visas all stashed away. They escape, clandestinely, barely with their lives sometimes.
Then they brave the hazardopus journey to the country in which they wish to claim asylum because they've heard it's a safe and humane country.
Imagine their disappointemt when they're accommodated in what motorbiking describes as a prison ship.

However in the migrants defence, I'm convinced when they complain about stuff, most of the time they've been prepped by somebody, whether a lawyer or charity group.

Of course you're convinced about that.

 

[motorbiking]

In the real news the £1.6b contract has had all the details redacted



Ah so public procurement rules are as follows:

A) no need for any tendering just give the contract to a Tory mate

B) redacted anything you want from public scrutiny


I can't possibly see how "public procurement rules" work in this govts favour.

Proven wrong. But you are welcome to keep posting NotchyFacts™

 

[motorbiking]

That situation has been passed when they've successfully escaped the country in which they're not safe.
They don't just hop on a bus, with their passports and visas all stashed away. They escape, clandestinely, barely with their lives sometimes.
Then they brave the hazardopus journey to the country in which they wish to claim asylum because they've heard it's a safe and humane country.
Imagine their disappointemt when they're accommodated in what motorbiking describes as a prison ship.


Of course you're convinced about that.

Dishonesty again Jim , It is not a prison ship, it provides substantially better facilities, Prisoners cost the tax payer around £40k per year. This facility is 10% more - seems reasonable value and nobody has suggested a way to reduce the cost further, while meeting the requirements of the contract.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Dishonesty again Jim , It is not a prison ship, it provides substantially better facilities, Prisoners cost the tax payer around £40k per year. This facility is 10% more - seems reasonable value and nobody has suggested a way to reduce the cost further, while meeting the requirements of the contract.

If I had fled a (genuine) horrific war or disaster situation and another country took me in, I'd be happy to be put up in a prison assuming certain things were in place e.g. housed in a wing that was completely separate from actual prisoners, cell door could be opened/closed by me, cell to myself, free to come and go on/off the premises and of course the place being at least reasonably clean.

Or if there was a recently closed prison that was in use for migrants, again I'd have no issue being housed there if fleeing a horrific situation assuming the above things were in place.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It is not a prison ship,

Hop, skipping abut as usual:

It's not being run as a prison. it's being run as a hotel.
No guards to be paid, no secure medical facilities required, no security to be maintained, etc.

wrong - I suggest you read Annex A.

This facility is 10% more - seems reasonable value and nobody has suggested a way to reduce the cost further, while meeting the requirements of the contract.

More hop, skipping about:

£75k per person (roy's number} seems about right, based on your number its just under £45k. it costs £40k per year to house a convicted/remand prisoner.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Oh thank you for taking me in neighbour, I genuinely thought my partner was going to batter me to death tonight!

Emmmm, you're not expecting me to sleep in the box room are you? And were those sheets washed at 90 degrees for at least an hour? And will I get a full English in the morning?

 

[fillyboy]

And will I get a full English in the morning?

Might be wise to skip the bacon.

 

[Roy Bloom]

If I had fled a (genuine) horrific war or disaster situation and another country took me in, I'd be happy to be put up in a prison assuming certain things were in place e.g. housed in a wing that was completely separate from actual prisoners, cell door could be opened/closed by me, cell to myself, free to come and go on/off the premises and of course the place being at least reasonably clean.

Or if there was a recently closed prison that was in use for migrants, again I'd have no issue being housed there if fleeing a horrific situation assuming the above things were in place.

Once you've left your country of torture, forced miltary service, killing, etc, you're out of the horrific situation, and you can think about rebuilding your life. You can't do that in a prison. Your life becomes suspended until who knows when.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Oh thank you for taking me in neighbour, I genuinely thought my partner was going to batter me to death tonight!

Emmmm, you're not expecting me to sleep in the box room are you? And were those sheets washed at 90 degrees for at least an hour? And will I get a full English in the morning?

Once your partner has been arrested, etc, you want to rebuild your life, from zero. You can't do that in your neighbour's boxroom.
You can't even do it in their main bedroom.

 

[motorbiking]

Hop, skipping abut as usual:





More hop, skipping about:

more dishonesty from Roy who likes to champion honesty. (psst. He's not really called Roy are you Jim.)