Broken Gulley Misaligned (Ed.)

[Ben Lawers]

Help, please…

I removed a broken salt glaze gully. I’m trying to install a new bottle gully. However, the two waste pipes (one vertical, one horizontal) which I need to flow into the gully are vertically misaligned. Furthermore, considering how far out the horizontal waste pipe extends, and how little length of it there is back to the wall, I’m not sure what I can do to make this fit. See pics below. Very grateful of suggestions.

Thanks.

 

[ree]

OP,
1. Could you stand back, & pic the wall up to the gutter?
2. Would you also remove the connectors and the fitting from the two pipes on the RH side - just show bare pipes?
3. The 2"clay (?) pipe - is it a waste pipe, coming from where?
4. Do you have an angle grinder?
5. Do you have a pic or do you remember how the pipes were connected before you disconnected things?

 

[Ben Lawers]

Hi Ree,

Thanks for responding. I’ve attached pics to answer your questions 1, 2, 5. Further notes below.

1. The (cast iron) down pipe is from the gutter but also includes grey water from 1st floor bathroom. (In the pic there’s a bit of pipe I’ve put in temporarily.)
2. As per second pic. This also shows the remains of the original gully.
3. The 2” pipe is a grey water waste from ground floor bathroom. It’s iron (I think - certainly metal). Measured 50mm internally, about 65mm OD. It has a shoe - if that’s the right term.
4. I have an 115mm angle grinder.
5. Third pic shows original configuration i.e. with clay gully (and temporary pipe I inserted to stem the flow…).

Cheers

 

[ree]

OP,
Thanks for the pics.
There might be two or three ways of going about this, none of them very satisfactory.
The fly in the ointment each time is the waste pipe from the bathroom - even with that remarkable old salt glaze gulley, I dont think the bathroom waste was all being discharged into the gulley?
Another difficulty is that you should have a trap if the waste and rain water is discharging into a sewer.
You should also have a trapped gulley for rainwater.
If falls allow it, have you considered re-routing the bathroom waste above floor level to discharge from above the gully grating - as is usual?

Sorry, but I dont think I can help you any further - trying to explain about falls & fittings & adapting etc. by text alone is difficult. It might be time for a plumber to have a look on site?

 

[Ben Lawers]

Many thanks for the considered response, ree. In answer to your questions: I think the ground floor bathroom grey water is routed through two waste pipes i.e. there’s another one like the one in the pic but farther along the wall, discharging into a similar gully. (I’m not 100% sure as the ground floor belongs to my neighbour.)

However, I suspect the one in the pic is outflow from their bath and shower - possibly not much fall to play with…

You mention that there should be a trap - my understanding was that a bottle gully acts as a trap. Is this not correct?

And were you suggesting that the rainwater should be handled separately? Where should it go if not the sewer? Is it regulation?

Thanks again.

 

[ree]

OP,
Yes I had noticed the Soil pipe and the RWP to the left, & assumed they were the neighbour's?
The RWP on the left seems to be going into a pipe socket - but you say that its a gully.

Both RWP's might be enter a sump - the utilities dont like them entering the sewer. You can find out by checking at the nearest manhole for whatever discharge is entering the m/h.
However, in old property you will be given much lenience if rain water is entering the sewer.

A Bottle trap is indeed a trap.

 

[Nige F]

5. Third pic shows original configuration i.e. with clay gully (and temporary pipe I inserted to stem the flow…).

So both the rainwater and grey water goes into the drain via the multi connection gulley. No lenience or speculation needed

 

[jj4091]

Take your pics to your local plumbers merchant and I'm sure they will sort out what you need in the way of fittings.

 

[ree]

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[Justin Passing]

NOt a drainage person so tin hat on. WOndering if you could solve this by going round the houses a bit:
Rotate the rectangular gulley (yellow) you have or maybe there's a round one (green) which would fit better

See Selco: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https://www.selcobw.com/media/catalog/product/cache/362735fedd794dfeacba982736806e38/3/9/395570241_01.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=a6b0eedf06f833b9044c8a9dc46c7219145b519164ac9c34f4028e3e37c9de04&ipo=images

ANd I see some of the rectangular topped ones look rotatable wrt the trap. Maybe the one show by Ben does.

The blue bit of pipeage looks awkward. There are adjustable angle 110mms as well as 92.5° 112.5° and 135°.
My merchant would let me take a pile away and return the ones I didn't need.

 

[Nige F]

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[Nige F]

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[Ben Lawers]

Hi all,

Perhaps appropriately, I spent Father’s Day trying various drainage configurations. Seem to have got to an acceptable solution in the end - see pic!

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who took the time to read and respond and try to help out - it all contributed in one way or another. Whilst I couldn’t get your particular suggestion to work, Justin, it prompted me to challenge the approach I had in my mind - which ultimately led to an answer! Thanks for the sketch!

Thanks all.

 

[blup]

Nice work, a good example of how necessity is the mother of invention.