Confusing ceiling rose - please help!

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I am at my wits end with this light fitting. We’ve been living in this house for 3 months and come across quite a few failed DIY jobs from the previous owners, and unsafe electrics. I’m trying to fit a new light fitting in the kitchen and was surprised to find four wires (not including the earth) - blue, brown, black with a brown sleeve and black with no sleeve. There’s also a bit of red in there but the wire isn’t exposed. The previous fitting was connected to all 4 wires but I can’t remember how. And the new fitting is from ikea and their little white boxes that you put the wires in are really weird looking and I feel like I won’t be able to get all the wires to stretch. Is it obviously to anyone how I should be connecting this?! Please help:( I tried just the brown and the blue but the light won’t work. I’m absolutely clueless
 

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Taylortwocities said:
Great photos

Where’s the one showing the connections before you pulled it apart?
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As in the previous connections from the previous fitting? I wish I had taken one. The first photo is the new fitting I’m working with. No idea what should go where when there’s more than one of each of L/N involved.
 
Yes. I know that.
Sorry to be unsympathetic. There’s more going on in that ceiling that you have shown us.
But if you pulled more cable down, it might help a bit..

Do you have a two probe voltage test device, or a multimeter?

If not, then I’m afraid you are going to need an electrician.
 
Is the light fitting one of two that is operated by the same switch ?
 
I would suggest:
One black is neutral,
The other is switched live.
As there are two reds in a connector.
Subject to confirmation from the OP of a second fitting, the brown and blue to sw live and neutral.
 
winston1 said:
Why?
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The style of terminal box looks like what would be typical of a metal-cased class 2 fitting, metal-cased class 2 fittings are problematic because to retain the class 2 status electrical connections and single-insulated wires need to remain enclosed within the terminal box, which is generally far too small to support typical UK wiring practices. From the style of the fitting I suspect it is made of metal.

But if it is a metal cased class 2 fitting then the wires that form part of the fitting should also be sheathed as they run through the fitting to the terminal block.

That leaves a few possibilities.

1. There is an earth terminal somewhere that is not visible in the photo.
2. The fitting is not in-fact made of metal.
3. The fitting is a substantad peice of junk.

I think 3 is probably the most likely interpretation, though without better pictures I can't rule-out the others completely.
 
plugwash said:
The style of terminal box looks like what would be typical of a metal-cased class 2 fitting, metal-cased class 2 fittings are problematic because to retain the class 2 status electrical connections and single-insulated wires need to remain enclosed within the terminal box, which is generally far too small to support typical UK wiring practices. From the style of the fitting I suspect it is made of metal.

But if it is a metal cased class 2 fitting then the wires that form part of the fitting should also be sheathed as they run through the fitting to the terminal block.

That leaves a few possibilities.

1. There is an earth terminal somewhere that is not visible in the photo.
2. The fitting is not in-fact made of metal.
3. The fitting is a substantal piece of junk.

I think 3 is probably the most likely interpretation, though without better pictures I can't rule-out the others completely.
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I don’t think Ikea sell substantial pieces of junk.
 
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