COVID vaccines and heart attack risk revealed

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ellal said:
You still don't get it that your erroneous 'anti vaxxer' label is based on your own stupidity, and your own insecurity of your 'do what you are told' approach rather than think for yourself is basically wrong...
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So what? Get over it...
 
ajohn said:
The thread title. As of Jan 23 there had been a total of 25,000,000 confirmed cases of covid. There are likely to be even more unconfirmed cases. Me for instance - I don't figure in the 25m.

So just how does some one separate the effects of that from the effects of the jab?

Deaths from jabs. Use of one make of jab was stopped on one age group. Nothing certain about the data that resulted in that. People in that age group had some instances of having the same problem before covid. It's a variable so not clear if changes were really down to the jab. Some others die following a jab - how do you separate out any changes in the rate of reason for their death. It's not clear cut science so take a liberal view just in case.
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Apart from the fact that figures vary widely from deaths of/with covid as regards how the figures were collated/altered...

What you are actually saying is that there was no control group analysis, and indeed the science was not 'clear cut'...

Best you pass that on to IT Minion ;)
 
denso13 said:
So what? Get over it...
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Get over what?

I never had it :LOL:

But your attempt to dismiss a reasoned argument as opposed to your uneducated/blind belief approach is what?

In your own phrase of choice...

Priceless! ;)
 
ellal said:
But your attempt to dismiss a reasoned argument as opposed to your uneducated/blind belief approach is?
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What reasoned argument? Science has provided the ultimate reasoned argument but you reject it. Good for you, move on...
 
ellal said:
That is a lie!

But of course you can provide proof of adequate numbers of control groups involving all ethnicity groups, age groups, pregnant women, vulnerable illness groups etc etc?

And over what period did your claimed 'studies' take place, given that repeated/different jabs were rolled out within months of each other?

What long term studies were undertaken?

Your 'claim' is simply a 'comfort blanket' you can cling to if you want to...

Those with a bit more intelligence aren't so easily fooled ;)
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You've moved the goal posts there a lot. First it was no control groups, now it is insufficiently varied control groups. Do you really expect me to summarise all the Phase 3 trials and additional follow up trials for 30+ different vaccines?

Long term studies on adverse reactions aren't needed for vaccines. None follow people for more than 6 months. The studies sometimes run longer than that because of lack of funding, but no individual is followed for very long. Because vaccines don't have ill effects that take long to show up.
 
denso13 said:
Science has provided the ultimate reasoned argument
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'Ultimate'?

The definition of Ultimate is 'most important, highest, last, or final'...

Do you stand by your claim, or are you prepared to just 'move on' when the understanding of what happened as regards the jabs now doesn't exactly fit any of those definitions?
 
IT Minion said:
Do you really expect me to summarise all the Phase 3 trials and additional follow up trials for 30+ different vaccines?
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You're the one claiming that That 'there were control groups in all the studies', so surely you can back up that claim with proof?

If not, why not?
IT Minion said:
Long term studies on adverse reactions aren't needed for vaccines. None follow people for more than 6 months. The studies sometimes run longer than that because of lack of funding, but no individual is followed for very long. Because vaccines don't have ill effects that take long to show up.
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So since that is another claim you have made, you can no doubt prove that any vaccines 'don't have ill effects that take long to show up'?

If not, why not?

And could you define 'long' if there is a lack of funding?
 
ellal said:
You're the one claiming that That 'there were control groups in all the studies', so surely you can back up that claim with proof?
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How Vaccines are Developed and Approved for Use | CDC

Learn how new vaccines are developed, tested in clinical trials, approved and recommended for use in the United States.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The clinical development process for a novel preventive vaccine: An overview

Each novel vaccine candidate needs to be evaluated for safety, immunogenicity, and protective efficacy in humans before it is licensed for use. After initial safety evaluation in healthy adults, each vaccine candidate follows a unique development path. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Done. Any US vaccines, which is more or less the same as the UK ones, had a phase 3 trial with a control group.
ellal said:
If not, why not?
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It's impossible to prove a negative. There has never been an ADR that took more than a few weeks to appear. It has taken longer for enough examples of the ADR to be seen to confirm it's from a vaccine, but that's completely different.

So, which vaccines didn't have a control group?
 
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ellal said:
Apart from the fact that figures vary widely from deaths of/with covid as regards how the figures were collated/altered
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You have this explained to you many many times.

I do feel sorry for your family, they must have to explain everything to you constantly
 
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