Euro cylinder in door with screw in from glazed size

Zelfer · 29 Dec 2015

Hi.

I've just gone to replace what I thought was a standard ferloc 528 and eurolock cylinder on a door (should have been a 20 min task) and found that the euro cylinder will not come out of the door. It appears to totter around the retaining machine screw point though, even though that has been removed.

I can't see around the cylinder, even with the handles fully removed, because the PVC is very close to the cylinder.

I can only imagine that the cylinder is screwed in from the other side, ie to remove it, the DG unit has to be removed, which I'm not comfortable doing.

Is this likely situation? ? Ive replaced other cylinders in other doors without any problem.

Ta.

gregers · 29 Dec 2015

have you put the key init?

Zelfer · 29 Dec 2015

Yep, key installed.
I can feel the slight release when the key is inserted and turned to 2 o'clock.

crank39 · 29 Dec 2015

Turn it to 11 o'clock in fact turn the key right round slowly while pulling or pushing, there won't be another screw inside the glazing channel

Gazman16 · 31 Dec 2015

As above its highly unlikely that there are any other screws.
It may just be tight and need some gentle persuasion with a hammer as you turn the key.
Is the cylinder broken? Ive had them before where they only partially turn but wouldn't lock/unlock the door or come out.

Last resort google lock snapping. With the handles off you can grip the cylinder with some pliers and bend it sideways snapping the lock out (assuming it is not a high security reinforced lock) bare in mind there is a small chance of damaging the rest of the locking mech so this should be a last resort.

London Mike 49 · 31 Dec 2015

Try to remove the cylinder from the other side of the door, the reason being the if the cylinder is a Yale one then there may be a sort of bulge on the lock that prevents the lock being removed from the wrong side of the door.
I had this happen to me a while ago and once I tried from the other side it was easy peasy.

Good luck
Mike

crank39 · 31 Dec 2015

Taking the handles off or just loosening them helps sometimes, sometimes the handles can throw the cylinder out of line due too the powder coating or poor routing out, makes the cylinder stick

Zelfer · 31 Dec 2015

Having had tried to have a better look by drilling for access, someone has definatley put a screw through from the glazed side!

Gazman16 · 31 Dec 2015

Jeeze!
Thats very odd! Must be a random screw that was meant to just go into the reinforcing. Looks like its definitely a glass out job then.

rsgaz · 31 Dec 2015

You could cut it with a multitool with a narrow nosed blade perhaps.

Gaz

London Mike 49 · 31 Dec 2015

Or just wrap a rag around a junior hacksaw blade and cut the screw that way.

Gazman16 · 31 Dec 2015

First thing I thought of was multi tool it out, BUT! That screw is very strange (too big really to be a reinforcing screw) I'm wondering if this door has a mechanically jointed mid rail and that screw is the only thing holding that side of it? Cutting it could cause damage and other problems. I would want to take it out to find why its there first.

London Mike 49 · 31 Dec 2015

On closer inspection of the pictures, it looks like whoever put the screw in has probably damaged the pins in the lock and caused it to fail.

Zelfer · 31 Dec 2015

Gazman16 said:
First thing I thought of was multi tool it out, BUT! That screw is very strange (too big really to be a reinforcing screw) I'm wondering if this door has a mechanically jointed mid rail and that screw is the only thing holding that side of it? Cutting it could cause damage and other problems. I would want to take it out to find why its there first.

Yes, the door has a midrail. The bottom of the eurolock aligns with the top of the rail, so that's a plausible thought. It's a 30 yr old door, and the lock appears to be the original, so they might have drilled for the cross bar with the cylinder in place?

London Mike 49 said:
On closer inspection of the pictures, it looks like whoever put the screw in has probably damaged the pins in the lock and caused it to fail.

The lock appears to work properly without any side affects,its the mech thats dead, but I can't find any locks with a hole in the same place for a replacement, and don't want to drill a hole I. A lock if I can help it.

However, im replacing it wit a 3star ts007 cylinder, so no real issues if it is broke!