Excess Deaths Debate 16th January 2024
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Oh look at the dates of these reports about the same time they didn't want to frighten the horses whilst they tried to get their act together if they ever did. Then when the all clear was given it was bombs away this virus is deadly, look we've got a vaccine where you still catch covid and you can still transmit it but it's jolly good stuff.Give it up,
"Official reporting of the numbers of people dying in care homes from Covid-19 is increasingly being seen as a significant underestimate, and we may be looking at just the tip of the iceberg."
Care home deaths: the untold and largely unrecorded tragedy of COVID-19
Deaths from Covid-19 among residents of care homes show a tenfold increase in the two weeks to 3 April, yet even this may be a considerable underestimate. Melanie Henwood explains that, while there…blogs.lse.ac.uk
Covid-19: Hundreds of UK care home deaths not added to official toll
Exclusive: Industry body estimates up to 1,000 people may have died in care homes so farwww.theguardian.com
Coronavirus: 'Thousands' of cases and deaths in care homes unreported in daily updates
Care minister Helen Whately says counting care home deaths quickly is "much harder than in hospitals".news.sky.com
Hundreds of coronavirus deaths are taking place in UK care homes but not being included in the official death toll
Care England estimates that up to 1,000 people in UK care homes have died after catching the coronavirus.www.businessinsider.com
COVID-19 infection and attributable mortality in UK care homes: cohort study using active surveillance and electronic records (March–June 2020)
epidemiological data on COVID-19 infection in care homes are scarce. We analysed data from a large provider of long-term care for older people to investigate infection and mortality during the first wave of the pandemic.cohort study of 179 UK care homes ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Study: Many early nursing home COVID cases, deaths likely unreported
www.cidrap.umn.edu
Must go I'm off to Bernard Castle to get my eyes tested.
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Mad as a box of frogs I tell ya...
What are you actually trying to achieve? Be happy in your decision, not grumpy.
Classic Gantish.
By whom? The lizard overlords?
Like other vaccines you mean?
What are you actually trying to achieve? Be happy in your decision, not grumpy.
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The figures say differently.
And don’t forget flu took a 3 year break. I hear it’s back now ?
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What figures?
Not quite, but absolute proof that the pandemic measures worked.
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Absolute proof ? Please explain that to me. In simple terms as I’m a rwr and a bit slow
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You never answer anything but demand explanations from others? Give your head a shake...
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So no absolute proof ? Almost like you can’t prove it again!
Reduction in social contacts = diseases that rely on person-to-person transmission having less opportunity (to be transmitted).
The BBC has been accused of “misrepresenting” the risk of Covid in order to increase public support for lockdowns in Scotland by a top scientist.
Professor Mark Woolhouse, a prominent epidemiologist and government adviser, blasted the BBC for having “repeatedly reported rare deaths or illnesses among healthy adults as if they were the norm”.
He said that the virus was far more prevalent in older generations, with the risk of dying from the disease being 10,000 times higher in over-75s than the under-15s.
Woolhouse said that the BBC’s coverage, which frequently claimed that “we are all at risk", was “misleading impressions” of the seriousness of Covid.
He cited a briefing in March 2020 as evidence. The report, created by a sub-group of the UK Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, focused on the public’s reaction and behaviour to the virus.
It stated that “a substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group... the perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging”.
Professor Mark Woolhouse, a prominent epidemiologist and government adviser, blasted the BBC for having “repeatedly reported rare deaths or illnesses among healthy adults as if they were the norm”.
He said that the virus was far more prevalent in older generations, with the risk of dying from the disease being 10,000 times higher in over-75s than the under-15s.
Woolhouse said that the BBC’s coverage, which frequently claimed that “we are all at risk", was “misleading impressions” of the seriousness of Covid.
He cited a briefing in March 2020 as evidence. The report, created by a sub-group of the UK Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, focused on the public’s reaction and behaviour to the virus.
It stated that “a substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group... the perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging”.
Be the above as it may, there were many, many more factors to consider - when planning the response - than pure mortality figures.
One being, to slow the transmission of the virus, so as not to have the NHS overwhelmed.
Don't forget, the current best estimate 1% mortality rate (and, at least in the early days, no-one knew whether it would be that "low") was achieved through having a functioning healthcare system.
Without that, the death rate would have been greater.
And, knowing the Karens in this country, the NHS would definitely have been overwhelmed.
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So we have a person complaining about the BBC misrepresenting the pandemic…..and he makes the point by using a totally pointless misleading statistic.
the risk of dying or serious illness was a significant factor for age groups from 30s upwards, especially amongst the vulnerable with comorbidities, of which there are 3 million or so, people living normal lives.
The evidence is available, fill yer boots
The effects of the COVID-19 pandemic on community respiratory virus activity - Nature Reviews Microbiology
The COVID-19 pandemic has had a considerable impact on respiratory virus infections worldwide. In this Review, Chu and colleagues discuss the changes in community spread and consequent infections by respiratory viruses other than severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)...
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