Excess Deaths Debate 16th January 2024

aveatry said:
The BBC has been accused of “misrepresenting” the risk of Covid in order to increase public support for lockdowns in Scotland by a top scientist.

Professor Mark Woolhouse, a prominent epidemiologist and government adviser, blasted the BBC for having “repeatedly reported rare deaths or illnesses among healthy adults as if they were the norm”.
He said that the virus was far more prevalent in older generations, with the risk of dying from the disease being 10,000 times higher in over-75s than the under-15s.

Woolhouse said that the BBC’s coverage, which frequently claimed that “we are all at risk", was “misleading impressions” of the seriousness of Covid.
He cited a briefing in March 2020 as evidence. The report, created by a sub-group of the UK Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, focused on the public’s reaction and behaviour to the virus.

It stated that “a substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group... the perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging”.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, shame it took an enquiry before his views came out.

He is also talking about things which happened very early on, even before the first lockdown. I don't think anybody knew everything then.
 
What the Prof actually said ;) from a very reliable news source - now and again
news.sky.com

Scottish government would not accept COVID was 'here to stay', UK inquiry hears

The UK COVID Inquiry is currently sitting in Edinburgh. Professor Mark Woolhouse told the hearing he "didn't understand the Scottish government's strategy over the summer of 2020".
news.sky.com news.sky.com

The headline is stupid and doesn't really relate to his comments.
 
denso13 said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, shame it took an enquiry before his views came out.
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Agreed - like a lot of things coming out now that would of once got flagged up by the gov spying on normal peoples social media posts that then got taken down
 
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gant said:
Carman?
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I just ask you for your sources and facts. And I'm not the only 1.

Never ever have they appeared but you squirm and swerve to avoid doing them.

Nothing wrong with having a different view, just back it up. Or expect to keep being asked for something.
 
Good grief the 3 Covidiots have made this thread drag on for almost 60 pages.
Its time we just let these idiots wallow in their own stupidity.


I really really don’t understand why people in professional careers like heating / gas engineers which require a good level diagnostic skill are unable to research the pandemic in the same way.
 
Notch7 said:
Good grief the 3 Covidiots have made this thread drag on for almost 60 pages.
Its time we just let these idiots wallow in their own stupidity.


I really really don’t understand why people in professional careers like heating / gas engineers which require a good level diagnostic skill are unable to research the pandemic in the same way.
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You can’t leave it though can you.

Where’s the fun in that Notchy!
 
denso13 said:
What are you trying to achieve?
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What are YOU trying to achieve, seems to me that it is to boost trust in the conservative government and pharmaceutical companies- who's very existence is predicated on profit. Do you not have any questions on how all of this panned out - no questions on the revolving door from regulators to executives in pharmaceutical companies. Can you not -- did you not -- could you not smell ANYTHING !. Those who did not want THIS vax could smell something and had questions - they are not murderers covidiodiots and all the other tropes some people maintain.
Do you trust implicitly every thing you are and were told by your Borris lead government. --- Yeh yeh you trust the science but the Gov science advisers have come out in the enquiry saying they did not agree with what the gov were saying and did not advise them this /that or the other.
So this is not just about you but all the others who it seems will go to their coincidental heart attack graves defending. --- Why - what are you trying to achieve.
Some of us could see - could smell that rat - had a feeling we were not being properly informed about everything - were being controlled by gov "nudge" units and worse. Its not nut jobs - its not anti vexers its just healthy people with questions not trusting the Gov.
What is your skin in the game - are you a conservative supporter - do you and the others have shares in the pharma industry. What are you hiding - why are yo defending the Gov. Why are you doing their dirty, dodgy work for them.
 
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aveatry said:
What are YOU trying to achieve, seems to me that it is to boost trust in the conservative government and pharmaceutical companies- who's very existence is predicated on profit. Do you not have any questions on how all of this panned out - no questions on the revolving door from regulators to executives in pharmaceutical companies. Can you not -- did you not -- could you not smell ANYTHING !. Those who did not want THIS vax could smell something and had questions - they are not murderers covidiodiots and all the other tropes some people maintain.
Do you trust implicitly every thing you are and were told by your Borris lead government. --- Yeh yeh you trust the science but the Gov science advisers have come out in the enquiry saying they did not agree with what the gov were saying and did not advise them this /that or the other.
So this is not just about you but all the others who it seems will go to their coincidental heart attack graves defending. --- Why - what are you trying to achieve.
Some of us could see - could smell that rat - had a feeling we were not being properly informed about everything - were being controlled by gov "nudge" units and worse. Its not nut jobs - its not anti vexers its just healthy people with questions not trusting the Gov.
What is your skin in the game - are you a conservative supporter - do you and the others have shares in the pharma industry. What are you hiding - why are yo defending the Gov. Why ae you doing their dirty work - didn't this happen in the 1930s.
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There was a need of healthy scepticism but there is a balance - where do we draw that balance especially of a mendatious Government in hock to private enterprise.
 
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