Expanded ULEZ

[motorbiking]

I don't think anyone is disputing that the original LEZ / ULEZ zone had some benefits right in the middle of London. But today 85% of the revenue comes from the expanded zone, where there isn't and wasn't the same problem with air quality. It would be nice also if the new analysis of old data, looked at a baseline. Simply acknowledging a reduction in pollution and attributing it to the ULEZ/LEZ without making a baseline comparison is very lazy academic work.

This suggest its had no real impact (emissions from road transport reduced by 50% over the same period):

Emissions of air pollutants in the UK – Particulate matter (PM10 and PM2.5)

www.gov.uk

 

[Odds]

I don't think anyone is disputing that the original LEZ / ULEZ zone had some benefits right in the middle of London. But today 85% of the revenue comes from the expanded zone, where there isn't and wasn't the same problem with air quality. It would be nice also if the new analysis of old data, looked at a baseline. Simply acknowledging a reduction in pollution and attributing it to the ULEZ/LEZ without making a baseline comparison is very lazy academic work.

You don't think expanding a carbon-free zone nationwide would be of benefit?

This publication provides estimated greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from example journeys across the UK, based on different modes of transport. Using 2022 estimates of carbon emissions, we estimate that a petrol car journey from London to Glasgow emits approximately 4 times more CO2 equivalent (CO2e) per passenger than the equivalent journey by coach.

The statistical estimates...suggests that cars emit more GHGs per passenger mile than trains and coaches that convey more people, and so maximising the number of people per vehicle can reduce emissions per person. This is also why, despite planes releasing more GHGs overall than cars, by carrying more passengers, plane journeys produce emissions per capita that are comparable to car journeys.

www.gov.uk

 

[motorbiking]

No. there is a need for balance

1. Pollution and emissions need to be seen differently. Pollution is often a local problem. Emissions is a global one. The UK leading the way to a carbon free national zone wont fix the earth https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/
2. Easy for me to go zero emissions, but not everyone can go out and buy an EV on a whim. For many these changes hit them where they cannot afford it.
3. encouraging car sharing, walking etc. probably make more sense. Reducing fuel consumption per passenger is an easy win.

 

[Odds]

No. there is a need for balance

1. Pollution and emissions need to be seen differently. Pollution is often a local problem. Emissions is a global one.

But carbon emissions are a major contributor to global emissions, are they not?
Unrestricted use of vehicles in Delhi has made it the most polluted city on Earth.

 

[gant]

They've found a way to tax the air you breathe next up is a tax on noise pollution.
As suggested any cars non electric to be banned from the roads after 8 pm genius.

Wales: Where Agenda 2030 is already a reality

Nicola Lund The Welsh Labour government appears to be intent on amassing a number of ‘firsts’ in policy making and post creation. Wales was the first country in the world to declare a ‘climate emer…

off-guardian.org

 

[denso13]

They've found a way to tax the air you breathe next up is a tax on noise pollution.
As suggested any cars non electric to be banned from the roads after 8 pm genius.

Wales: Where Agenda 2030 is already a reality

Nicola Lund The Welsh Labour government appears to be intent on amassing a number of ‘firsts’ in policy making and post creation. Wales was the first country in the world to declare a ‘climate emer…

off-guardian.org

That's a very skewed article, "It was also the first country in the UK to introduce a Public Health Act (2017) and Public Health Wales was the first – and so far, only – health agency in the UK to collaborate with the World Health Organisation (an agency of the unelected United Nations)."

Their home page manages to cover most of the current conspiracy theories.

 

[gant]

Be rude of them not to.
Did you vote for Ambassador Barbara Woodward?

 

[denso13]

Did you vote for Ambassador Barbara Woodward?

Do I really need to answer that?

The core of the article is that Wales want to control noise pollution. What is so wrong with that? If the public don't like it they can be voted out.

 

[gant]

I agree with some control over noise pollution
There are rules where builders flagrantly disregard the hours on Saturdays and Sundays and after 6 o'clock weekdays on noise. Neighbourhood nuisance being another but I find it subjective who the councils go after and that's where the problem lies, in who are the victims when councils make judgements on who they target.

 

[motorbiking]

But carbon emissions are a major contributor to global emissions, are they not?
Unrestricted use of vehicles in Delhi has made it the most polluted city on Earth.

how would that be fixed by the UK leading the way? 1% of global emissions reducing by 50% would be a huge economical burden in the UK and make little to no difference globally.

 

[motorbiking]

That's a very skewed article, "It was also the first country in the UK to introduce a Public Health Act (2017) and Public Health Wales was the first – and so far, only – health agency in the UK to collaborate with the World Health Organisation (an agency of the unelected United Nations)."

Their home page manages to cover most of the current conspiracy theories.

Not doing too well at Health though are they.

How well is the NHS in Wales performing?

We were asked by the BBC to review how waiting times in Wales compare with other UK countries and with historic trends. Despite comparable data being in short supply across the UK health services, we were able to examine headline waiting time figures in Wales alongside what we know about the...

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk

 

[denso13]

Not doing too well at Health though are they.

No.

 

[wobs]

I don't think anyone is disputing that the original LEZ / ULEZ zone had some benefits right in the middle of London. But today 85% of the revenue comes from the expanded zone, where there isn't and wasn't the same problem with air quality. It would be nice also if the new analysis of old data, looked at a baseline. Simply acknowledging a reduction in pollution and attributing it to the ULEZ/LEZ without making a baseline comparison is very lazy academic work.

This suggest its had no real impact (emissions from road transport reduced by 50% over the same period):

Emissions of air pollutants in the UK – Particulate matter (PM10 and PM2.5)

www.gov.uk

I posted this on page 2, but is worth repeating. There are areas in the expanded zone where there are very much issues with air quality. Funnily enough, it is along major roads.

 

[JohnD]

So far the expanded ULEZ has been a huge success for Khan.

Great news, thanks.

 

[motorbiking]

I posted this on page 2, but is worth repeating. There are areas in the expanded zone where there are very much issues with air quality. Funnily enough, it is along major roads.
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you can have a deep dive here:

Live Animated Air Quality Map (AQI, PM2.5...) | IQAir

Discover AirVisual Map, live world air pollution and air quality index (AQI) interactive 2D animated map combining PM2.5 data from public government, air quality stations, our community.

www.iqair.com

The expanded zone rarely shows high readings.