Expanded ULEZ

[JohnD]

I was trying to locate a street in Mile End, and came across this nugget:

"The London Borough of Tower Hamlets monitors roadside air quality in Mile End. In 2017, average Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) levels in the locale failed to meet the UK National Air Quality Objective of 40μg/m3 (micrograms per cubic metre).[36]

An automatic monitoring site in Mile End recorded a 2017 annual average of 48μg/m3. Alternative monitoring sites on Mile End Road also failed to meet air quality objectives. A site at the junction with Globe Road in nearby Stepney recorded 52μg/m3 as a 2017 average, whilst a site at the junction with Harford Street recorded 41μg/m3.[36]

Exposure to higher concentrations of NO2 has been linked to lung disease and respiratory problems.[37]"


In the past I've found many busy London roads to be severely polluted with traffic fumes.

 

[Mottie]

In the past I've found many busy London roads to be severely polluted with traffic fumes.

In the past, I’ve found many bears shìt in the woods and all Popes are Catholics.

Mile End is practically the city. I wouldn’t expect anything else. I don’t think anyone would argue with cutting pollution there. It’s nowhere near the expanded ULEZ though which is what this thread is about. What’s your point?

 

[johnny2007]

I think in London all busses are now electric or hybrid. it's not the fuel type that is the problem its the flexibility. The same with trains. In dense populated cities, public transport is a no brainer.

Wrong. Lots of buses are old diesel and non compliant with khant's tax.

EVs are generally heavier; more wear on tyres.
EVs have a LOT more torque: hence why they can accelerate (again, generally) a lot more quickly than ICE cars.
Greater acceleration = more tyre wear (taken to the limit, think burnouts).

Urban mith.
Of course, the top of the range tesla is quicker than a 3 cylinder toyota.
Take a decent car against an EV and see what's quicker.
As said vefore, I raced my miserable 3.0L V6 diesel against my friend's tesla model 3 and left him at the lights.
Their 0-62mph claim is simply false.

 

[JohnD]

Wrong. Lots of buses are old diesel and non compliant with khant's tax.

Some, but the minority.

What do you mean by "old?"

 

[JohnD]

You know the march isn't due to go anywhere near the Cenotaph, old sock.
Have you been feeding on the Daily Express for breakfast?

I'm sure even @gant knows that.

And he also knows it isn't on Remembrance Sunday.

And that it doesn't even start until an hour after the Silence.

Quite respectful, really.

On the anniversary of the world's greatest ever ceasefire

They call for another one.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I'm sure even @gant knows that.

And he also knows it isn't on Remembrance Sunday.

And that it doesn't even start until an hour after the Silence.

Quite respectful, really.

On the anniversary of the world's greatest ever ceasefire

They call for another one.

I'm sure he knows, or can find out, what Armistice means

 

[Brigadier]

Wrong. Lots of buses are old diesel and non compliant with khant's tax.

Urban mith.
Of course, the top of the range tesla is quicker than a 3 cylinder toyota.
Take a decent car against an EV and see what's quicker.
As said vefore, I raced my miserable 3.0L V6 diesel against my friend's tesla model 3 and left him at the lights.
Their 0-62mph claim is simply false.

A 3 litre V6 diesel is hardly a fair reflection of the average UK ICE car.


Anyway and as an aside, Steve Finn on TMS has just said that the air quality index in Delhi or Kolkatta was 400, the other day.

London was at 2.


And Simon Mann said Delhi / Kolkatta air quality gets worse until February.........

 

[johnny2007]

A 3 litre V6 diesel is hardly a fair reflection of the average UK ICE car.


Anyway and as an aside, Steve Finn on TMS has just said that the air quality index in Delhi or Kolkatta was 400, the other day.

London was at 2.


And Simon Mann said Delhi / Kolkatta air quality gets worse until February.........

Well, the tesla owners (I call them the conned) claim that their plastic boxes on wheels can do 0-62mph in less than 4 seconds.
My miserable old diesel clocks just about under 5 seconds but somehow leaves the tesla behind by a large margin, looking from my rear view mirrors, roughly 30 yards.
These EV conned fanatics are just deluded.
I have to conced though that they're quicker than my mums 1998 1.2L Punto...

 

[JohnD]

Well, the tesla owners (I call them the conned) claim that their plastic boxes on wheels can do 0-62mph in less than 4 seconds.
My miserable old diesel clocks just about under 5 seconds but somehow leaves the tesla behind by a large margin, looking from my rear view mirrors, roughly 30 yards.
These EV conned fanatics are just deluded.
I have to conced though that they're quicker than my mums 1998 1.2L Punto...

Grown-ups know that traffic lights are not drag races.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Grown-ups know that traffic lights are not drag races.

Probably most tesla owners are just laughing at some cars going flat out to beat them as they just accelerate normally

 

[motorbiking]

Well, the tesla owners (I call them the conned) claim that their plastic boxes on wheels can do 0-62mph in less than 4 seconds.
My miserable old diesel clocks just about under 5 seconds but somehow leaves the tesla behind by a large margin, looking from my rear view mirrors, roughly 30 yards.
These EV conned fanatics are just deluded.
I have to conced though that they're quicker than my mums 1998 1.2L Punto...

Are you sure they were racing? Did the blink?

I still have my 435d which is 3l diesel and twin turbo. I think it’s a straight six not a v6. But supposedly around 315bhp. The model 3 performance has another 100 or so bhp.

0-60 for the Tesla is nearly half the time. The RWD model 3s and Ys are slower but the dual motors all do 0-60 in under 5s and the performance can easily do it in under 4.

 

[johnny2007]

Are you sure they were racing? Did the blink?

I still have my 435d which is 3l diesel and twin turbo. I think it’s a straight six not a v6. But supposedly around 315bhp. The model 3 performance has another 100 or so bhp.

0-60 for the Tesla is nearly half the time. The RWD model 3s and Ys are slower but the dual motors all do 0-60 in under 5s and the performance can easily do it in under 4.

On paper, not in reality.
It was a drag race between me and my friend.
Tested 3 times and all 3 times the tesla was disappearing in my rear view mirrors.
My friend is giving it away at the end of the lease and going back to ICE.

 

[johnny2007]

Probably most tesla owners are just laughing at some cars going flat out to beat them as they just accelerate normally

No, they're the ones racing between lights to prove to themselves that they've not been conned. (they have been conned)

 

[carmanmemoranda]

No, they're the ones racing between lights to prove to themselves that they've not been conned. (they have been conned)

That may, or may not be so.

But generally it's not tesla drivers that are trying to prove something on the road. Think Merc, Audi, Landrover etc

 

[johnny2007]

That may, or may not be so.

But generally it's not tesla drivers that are trying to prove something on the road. Think Merc, Audi, Landrover etc

I drive Audi.
I don't have to prove anything to anyone, but sometimes some boy racers need to be put in the place where they belong...behind me at a distance...