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[Lower]

They have different laws to us. After all they are different countries.

I asked you to imagine a scenario. You want to ban EVERY asylum seeker who doesn't fly in. Even those that might be fleeing a real threat to life. If it happened to you, should you be forced to only seek sanctuary in France?

Also, why are you obsessing about less than 10% of the asylum seekers?

Because i don't accept that fraudulent claimants are less than 10% of asylum seekers. That might be the published figure, but i believe that that is because we're so poor at identifying fraudulent asylum seekers.

I do want to ban people crossing the channel illegally, and if you are a genuine asylum seeker you should seek asylum in the first safe country you reach.

People that cross Europe to get to us aren't asylum seekers, they're economic migrants gaming the asylum system that have managed to raise the money to pay criminals to help them avoid our immigration rules.

 

[IT Minion]

Because i don't accept that fraudulent claimants are less than 10% of asylum seekers. That might be the published figure, but i believe that that is because we're so poor at identifying fraudulent asylum speakers.

I do want to ban people crossing the channel illegally, and if you are a genuine asylum seeker you should seek asylum in the first safe country you reach.

People that cross Europe to get to us aren't asylum seekers, they're economic migrants gaming the asylum system that have managed to raise the money to pay criminals to help them avoid our immigration policies.

That isn't the rate of failed asylum claims, less than 10% is for Albanians.

So if you get forced out of the UK your only place to seek refuge is France. After that you're an economic migrant.

And any Afgan people we employed but failed to extract aren't eligible for Asylum here.

And the only asylum seekers we should accept are from France.

 

[Lower]

That isn't the rate of failed asylum claims, less than 10% is for Albanians.

So if you get forced out of the UK your only place to seek refuge is France. After that you're an economic migrant.

And any Afgan people we employed but failed to extract aren't eligible for Asylum here.

And the only asylum seekers we should accept are from France.

I'm not suggesting that only Albanians are the only fraudulent asylum seekers, though it would appear that recently a large number of the channel crossers are Albanians and they're now claiming modern slavery rather than asylum.

You're clearly building up to making a point. Rather than trying to entrap me, why don't you just make the point? I already agree that people should be able to apply for asylum from outside the UK and that we should be able to process asylum claims properly, rather than making it difficult to claim asylum to compensate for the fact we're not very good at processing the claims.

 

[JohnD]

Lower is very reluctant to answer honestly, because he knows the truth would show up the weakness of his position.

 

[JonathanM]

You're clearly building up to making a point. Rather than trying to entrap me, why don't you just make the point?

I think the point is that the first safe country might not be suitable for the claimant. For instance, their only other family might be in a different country.

 

[Lower]

I think the point is that the first safe country might not be suitable for the claimant. For instance, their only other family might be in a different country.

So apply for asylum in the first safe country you reach, and once that's granted apply to join your family through the proper channels.

The reason we have the problem we have at the moment is two fold:

1. We don't allow people to apply for asylum from outside the uk
2. We're crap at processing them and let far too many in which encourages others to make the trip across the channel.

However, that is still not an excuse for economic migrants to pay criminals to get them across the channel, bypassing our immigration rules.

 

[IT Minion]

I'm not suggesting that only Albanians are the only fraudulent asylum seekers, though it would appear that recently a large number of the channel crossers are Albanians and they're now claiming modern slavery rather than asylum.

You're clearly building up to making a point. Rather than trying to entrap me, why don't you just make the point? I already agree that people should be able to apply for asylum from outside the UK and that we should be able to process asylum claims properly, rather than making it difficult to claim asylum to compensate for the fact we're not very good at processing the claims.

Cool, until we do that though turning people away when there is no other way to get to seek asylum other than hopping in a small boat would be inhumane and cruel.

 

[IT Minion]

So apply for asylum in the first safe country you reach, and once that's granted apply to join your family through the proper channels.

That doesn't work.

If you were Afghan and eligible for asylum here, but first sought asylum in Pakistan then tried to immigrate here later as a migrant then you aren't seeking asylum. You're an unemployed Pakistani economic migrant. The required pay and financial bar for that is quite high.

It's not an unreasonable concept, but it ignores reality.

 

[Lower]

That doesn't work.

If you were Afghan and eligible for asylum here, but first sought asylum in Pakistan then tried to immigrate here later as a migrant then you aren't seeking asylum. You're an unemployed Pakistani economic migrant. The required pay and financial bar for that is quite high.

It's not an unreasonable concept, but it ignores reality.

Exactly. We've created rules that say we don't want you here. So don't try and circumvent them by crossing the channel.

 

[JohnD]

Hatred of refugees has a long and shameful history.

 

[JonathanM]

Exactly. We've created rules that say we don't want you here. So don't try and circumvent them by crossing the channel.

What's your view on legal immigration. Is 300K net migration an OK number.

 

[IT Minion]

Exactly. We've created rules that say we don't want you here. So don't try and circumvent them by crossing the channel.

So no asylum seekers at all then.

Of course the law doesn't stop asylum seekers coming by boat and being granted asylum. All it does is ensure people smugglers get their cut and that some drown.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Funny how some of these countries have a 'down with the west' type attitude and yet many of their citizens can't wait to get here. You think it might start to sink in that the way they govern their country and citizens is emmmmm flawed

 

[blup]

A remarkable exchange between a GBN presenter and guest today about inflation. Blamed ukrane, covid, energy prices, not a word about brexhit. You couldn't make it up, total airbrushing of a significant factor. Having a right wing bias is one thing, simply leaving out inconvenient facts is another. GBN cancels brexhit.

Blup

 

[Ihavenojob]

A remarkable exchange between a GBN presenter and guest today about inflation. Blamed ukrane, covid, energy prices, not a word about brexhit. You couldn't make it up, total airbrushing of a significant factor. Having a right wing bias is one thing, simply leaving out inconvenient facts is another. GBN cancels brexhit.

Blup

How has Brexit caused inflation globally? We're influential, but surely not to that extent.