I found all three installers on this site: http://www.hetas.co.uk/find-installer/
One reasonably priced installer and two very expensive installers!!
One reasonably priced installer and two very expensive installers!!
HETAS Engineers a bunch of lying so and so's....
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You got off lightly
. The Rayburn I recently plumbed in - water side only - was connected by a HETAS bod to a 6m. brick chimney using a liner + cowl . He turns up in a frigging suit - then puts on overalls 
. Customer was happy to pay c.£1200 for the "installation " of the flue , got the guy direct.- me , I just do it for the joy of helping an old guy keep his house warm 
. It`s just another money making thing - but because it`s got genuine safety ( CO ) at it`s core , it`s easy to charge ridiculous rates . Another nail in the Old Skool Plumbers coffin What is your experience ? Oh fake fag peddling Guru
I thought steamline was a condensing boilerI notice you say your installation is to the reg and by the book if I am correct in saying that photo further down the thread is your installation?
then I'm afraid the flue is incorrect, it should be 600mm straight off the appliance before the first bend, if you have something as fundamental as that wrong, which by the way any jobs worth building inspector will pick up on your goosed mate.
I would also love to know what non profit making line of work you are in???
then I'm afraid the flue is incorrect, it should be 600mm straight off the appliance before the first bend, if you have something as fundamental as that wrong, which by the way any jobs worth building inspector will pick up on your goosed mate.
I would also love to know what non profit making line of work you are in???
I think the main point of this thread is that some/ many HETAS engineers will inflate the job wherever possible and they use the carbon monoxide safety threat to justify these actions.
It's not just HETAS engineers either and most other trades will try this tactic.
Sticking with chimneys for a second though, here's one for you.
Three weeks ago while sitting at home, I noticed a red van drive past my home and into next doors driveway. On the side of the van it said AC Taylor Chimney Sweeps. Hmm... I thought, I am about to get my stove fitted and it might be an idea to get the guys phone number for when I need my chimney swept. I popped out to have a word. The man was pleasant enough and even suggested that he pop round afterwards to see how easy my chimney would be to sweep.
(His webpage is: http://www.chimneysweeppeterborough.co.uk/)
Half an hour later he pitched up clearly frustrated. He didn't want to say too much but mentioned that next doors chimney was not safe to use!
He then said that my chimney wants lining because I had a dog leg in my chimney and his brushes would struggle to get round the bend properly!! On no not something else to worry about! Okay he left after giving me a card and I promptly rang the HETAS engineer that is coming to install our fire in a few days time. (18th of Dec) He explained that this was wrong and the sweeper just needs flexible brush rods and even if the chimney was lined, the bend would still be there. This made sense.
I quickly rang another firm of sweepers in the area "A Clean Sweep" (Their webpage is: http://www.acleansweep.me.uk/) and asked them their thoughts. They felt that if a HETAS engineer was installing the stove, it should be safe and that most chimneys have a bend in them anyway. After I mentioned Mr Taylor's views, they said that the man is well known for scaring people!
A few days ago my neighbor popped round with two certificates. Turns out she had A Clean Sweep round that day to sweep the chimney. On the certificate issued by Mr Taylor it said "Chimney not lined, unsafe to use, DO NOT USE" and on the certificate issued by A Clean Sweep it states "Chimney swept, leak test carried out, stove serviced and safe to use".
Mr Taylor sent an invoice for £49 for his visit and actually did nothing but look up the chimney and write out a "DO NOT USE" sheet, whereas A Clean Sweep did the whole job and only charged £40. Our neighbor was fuming but in the end paid him £39 for his visit to get him off her back.
This makes me cross that there are people out there like this. Her stove was installed by a HETAS engineer 6-years ago, unlined (The chimney has a 9-inch clay lined chimney like ours) and they have never had a problem with it.
Inconsistencies like this are troubling and when people charge money for doing nothing is just plane wrong, especially when another professional firm is happy with it.
I have clearly posted the details of both these firms because I feel that people should know who to watch out for. It might one day turn out that Mr Taylor was right and A Clean Sweep were wrong, but they both can't be right!
It's not just HETAS engineers either and most other trades will try this tactic.
Sticking with chimneys for a second though, here's one for you.
Three weeks ago while sitting at home, I noticed a red van drive past my home and into next doors driveway. On the side of the van it said AC Taylor Chimney Sweeps. Hmm... I thought, I am about to get my stove fitted and it might be an idea to get the guys phone number for when I need my chimney swept. I popped out to have a word. The man was pleasant enough and even suggested that he pop round afterwards to see how easy my chimney would be to sweep.
(His webpage is: http://www.chimneysweeppeterborough.co.uk/)
Half an hour later he pitched up clearly frustrated. He didn't want to say too much but mentioned that next doors chimney was not safe to use!
He then said that my chimney wants lining because I had a dog leg in my chimney and his brushes would struggle to get round the bend properly!! On no not something else to worry about! Okay he left after giving me a card and I promptly rang the HETAS engineer that is coming to install our fire in a few days time. (18th of Dec) He explained that this was wrong and the sweeper just needs flexible brush rods and even if the chimney was lined, the bend would still be there. This made sense.
I quickly rang another firm of sweepers in the area "A Clean Sweep" (Their webpage is: http://www.acleansweep.me.uk/) and asked them their thoughts. They felt that if a HETAS engineer was installing the stove, it should be safe and that most chimneys have a bend in them anyway. After I mentioned Mr Taylor's views, they said that the man is well known for scaring people!
A few days ago my neighbor popped round with two certificates. Turns out she had A Clean Sweep round that day to sweep the chimney. On the certificate issued by Mr Taylor it said "Chimney not lined, unsafe to use, DO NOT USE" and on the certificate issued by A Clean Sweep it states "Chimney swept, leak test carried out, stove serviced and safe to use".
Mr Taylor sent an invoice for £49 for his visit and actually did nothing but look up the chimney and write out a "DO NOT USE" sheet, whereas A Clean Sweep did the whole job and only charged £40. Our neighbor was fuming but in the end paid him £39 for his visit to get him off her back.
This makes me cross that there are people out there like this. Her stove was installed by a HETAS engineer 6-years ago, unlined (The chimney has a 9-inch clay lined chimney like ours) and they have never had a problem with it.
Inconsistencies like this are troubling and when people charge money for doing nothing is just plane wrong, especially when another professional firm is happy with it.
I have clearly posted the details of both these firms because I feel that people should know who to watch out for. It might one day turn out that Mr Taylor was right and A Clean Sweep were wrong, but they both can't be right!
C
Chunkydoc
Wow, great read.
My 2p worth:
Looked at installing our woodburner myself, read up on all the regs etc, spoke to installers, priced up flue kits blah blah blah.
Got 3 quotes to install, all expensive. However, weighed up against the fact that if I screw it up someone could possibly die, I'd rather spend the money.
My 2p worth:
Looked at installing our woodburner myself, read up on all the regs etc, spoke to installers, priced up flue kits blah blah blah.
Got 3 quotes to install, all expensive. However, weighed up against the fact that if I screw it up someone could possibly die, I'd rather spend the money.
Ahh your message did make me laugh plenty of things unlike your self self employed people only get paid for what they do so £400.00 for them is minus public liability ,Van insurance at least i other insurance tools ,fuel take some out for the many other things need to be self employed like accountants which you wont need because you are narrow minded and are proberly employed and get told when yo have your dinner and go the toilet when you are at work a bit like being at school.
To install a appliance you must meet the requiremnts of the stove and due to you flue being for a open fire has a cross diameter to big for a appliance 75% pluss heat output>so to meet this a small diameter flue liner is required.There is to many things to list to go regarding your blog but we did giggle please keep it up you C-ck .just to put you in the picture i am a chimney sweep and Hetas and it costs me about £16500.00 just for the business to stay where it is and thats before my wage ,you should try being self employed you will see that 3 hours on a job with sorting it out off site before and post job might be 8-9 getting rid of waste and doing accounts from you job is still work just because they are not stood in front of your narrow minded eyes .Now whos a C-CK
To install a appliance you must meet the requiremnts of the stove and due to you flue being for a open fire has a cross diameter to big for a appliance 75% pluss heat output>so to meet this a small diameter flue liner is required.There is to many things to list to go regarding your blog but we did giggle please keep it up you C-ck .just to put you in the picture i am a chimney sweep and Hetas and it costs me about £16500.00 just for the business to stay where it is and thats before my wage ,you should try being self employed you will see that 3 hours on a job with sorting it out off site before and post job might be 8-9 getting rid of waste and doing accounts from you job is still work just because they are not stood in front of your narrow minded eyes .Now whos a C-CK
Second winter with the flue, not a problem, no fires, no CO leakage. Swept myself, all still hunky dory.
Looking on the sparks forum, looks as if the coalition are on a bit of a deregulatory push at the moment.
Good for them!
Looking on the sparks forum, looks as if the coalition are on a bit of a deregulatory push at the moment.
Good for them!
Totally agree. The UK housing shortage should be cured as all the twonks who do there own wiring, without a clue at what they are doing, will have electrocuted themselves and hopefully no one else.
Rewired my own place. Unlike the flue, got that signed off as it was good value for money. Spark who BC got round quoted "best wiring I have seen in ages". Yep. That's because I followed the regs to a tee, including clipping wires correctly and allowing minimum radii for strain. Resi electrics are a piece of p@ss.
I am an engineer by trade btw who has done aircraft design. None of this is particularly difficult if you follow the regs religiously.
I am an engineer by trade btw who has done aircraft design. None of this is particularly difficult if you follow the regs religiously.
When you see some questions on the electrics forum you'll realise that some peeps should have hands that cannot grip a screwdriver.
When I bought a house years ago I did my (first) own electrics. I also piped in all the gas and water. It's all a piece of pish... If you have half a brain that works.
And that'll cut half the population out straight away.
When I bought a house years ago I did my (first) own electrics. I also piped in all the gas and water. It's all a piece of pish... If you have half a brain that works.
And that'll cut half the population out straight away.
Wrong......
Firstly, its a reccommendation, not mandatory, secondly, I have excellent draw And thus the bend does not have a problem..
Finally, my stove instructions specifically allow this configuration, thus my NCS is in fact fully compliant.
I've recently had a lot of sweeps from estate agents and solicitors up to 24 hours before completion and due to the install not being signed off the chain has collapsed due to the install not legal. This will continue to get bigger as more and more lenders refuse mortgages on not HETAS/BC installs!
And as I have said, if that happens, I will rip out the flue and put the old register plate back in for use with the chimney. It doesn't need a flue to operate, although its much more efficient and easier to clean with one!
Scaremongering!
Scaremongering!