HIVE and ESI Controls - HELP

[W17ALR]

Hi! I’m looking on getting HIVE installed in my new build home. I’ve bought 2 Hive thermostats, one dual channel and one single channel.

I have 2 zones, up and down stairs with a hot water tank.

Currently I have ESI wired thermostats but want to remove these completely and rely solely on the 2 wireless HIVE ones.

These are the images of my programmer (next to the boiler downstairs) and wiring box (on the water tank upstairs).

I have followed some videos on how to do this, however upon opening the wiring box, I was presented with a motherboard like connection rather than the one shown on pics and videos.

If I just disconnect the L,N,N/O wires from the existing thermostats on both CH1 & CH2, would the live feed from the programmer just bypass thermostats and turn it on? Considering HIVE thermostat would be the one to make the call?

Could anyone please help me here? Any diagrams would be great!

I know at the programmer side, I need to get a L & N to the second receiver, and have the corresponding wires for HW, CH1 and 2 in their corresponding points. It’s the decommissioning of the thermostats and having it wired at the wiring box I’m stuck at!

 

[Deleted member 267285]

Either join the link wires up at the thermostat end or wiring center end. You would need x2 L and x2 N for each hive then N/O wires to each Hive receiver.

 

[W17ALR]

Either join the link wires up at the thermostat end or wiring center end. You would need x2 L and x2 N for each hive then N/O wires to each Hive receiver.

What do you mean by, link the wires up.

The receivers will have, L,N and corresponding HW, CH1 or CH2.

I’m more stuck on the wiring centre, I’m wanting to remove the wired thermostats, but unsure where I need to bridge if I take them out? Because if i dont won’t the call for heat not go to the xorriaponding channel?

 

[trojanhawrs]

Provide a circuit diagram for the wiring centre or at least take pictures of the terminal notations.

 

[W17ALR]

Here is the best thing I could find, ESI don’t make it easy for me to find it!

 

[Deleted member 267285]

What do you mean by, link the wires up.

The receivers will have, L,N and corresponding HW, CH1 or CH2.

I’m more stuck on the wiring centre, I’m wanting to remove the wired thermostats, but unsure where I need to bridge if I take them out? Because if i dont won’t the call for heat not go to the xorriaponding channel?

Your thermostat has a live and switched live, link the 2 together, this completes the circuit, and the Hive takes over.

 

[trojanhawrs]

I take it you disconnected the mains cable to this?

 

[W17ALR]

Your thermostat has a live and switched live, link the 2 together, this completes the circuit, and the Hive takes over.

So are you saying, remove the two existing thermostats on STAT1 (L,N,N/O) and STAT2 (L,N,N/O) from the image attached.

Then place a wire in STAT1 from L to N/O and the same for STAT2? That way when connecting HIVE receivers to the programmer it’ll work?

I take it you disconnected the mains cable to this?

I had removed fuse from boiler switch and had mains powered off. Yes.

 

[trojanhawrs]

I had removed fuse from boiler switch and had mains powered off. Yes.

There's no cable in the mains connections, it must be getting backfed from the boiler.

 

[W17ALR]

There's no cable in the mains connections, it must be getting backfed from the boiler.

Yeah, I’ve just noticed that. Do you think it’s getting power from the programmers end? It’s the only end where there is power… does that change things?

 

[trojanhawrs]

No I think it's getting power from the boiler.

 

[W17ALR]

No I think it's getting power from the boiler.

Right, with that being said. What’s the best way to remove the old thermostats, and have Hive work?

Do I need to bridge anything like CBW said above? Or removing thermostats from PCB do the trick?

 

[trojanhawrs]

 

[W17ALR]

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That’s amazing, one thing I have to mention. I have the wiring box upstairs on my water tank, and my programmer is downstairs under my boiler.

Now if I were to follow your diagram, how do I get the black from STAT1 down to CH1(HO). The only connection I have going down to the programmer are those circled in red.

Are you suggesting I put the receivers up in the water tank cupboard?

Also the links on the PCB, do you mean I take out the cables going in and link? Or link it with the cables already in?

I know these may be stupid questions, I just want to be sure I really appreciate the help!

 

[trojanhawrs]

Are you suggesting I put the receivers up in the water tank cupboard?

That's what it was based on, if you would rather they replace the programmer that could be done as well.

Also the links on the PCB, do you mean I take out the cables going in and link? Or link it with the cables already in?

That was with cables removed.

Now if I were to follow your diagram, how do I get the black from STAT1 down to CH1(HO). The only connection I have going down to the programmer are those circled in red.

You can either run a 4-core flex from receiver 2 > wiring centre and 3-core from receiver 1 > wiring centre or run a 5 core from receiver 2 > wiring centre and a 3 core between receiver 1 > 2, with a wago to connect the spare core inside stat 2 for the heat call. Use red tape and brown sleeving for the earth core to be repurposed as a switched live.

If you want the 2 receivers to replace the programmer disconnect the thermostats from wiring centre, link the L and NO terminals on the wiring centre for heat 1 and heat 2, and run a 3 core and earth between the 2 receivers. Again, 1 core will be wago'd in the dual channel receiver.