Hot Air

[gant]

The EU is a Political system.

it doesn’t have a government

it is not a federal state

Luv it, more sand for notchy, get that head buried deep down.

 

[Odds]

Nor a superstate, whatever that is

In contemporary political debate, especially the one centred on the European Union, the term "superstate" is used to indicate a development in which the Union develops from its current de facto status as a confederation to become a fully-fledged federation, known as the United States of Europe.

Unherd.com

 

[Roy Bloom]

We all want stuff as cheap as possible so the manufacturers have to produce them where it is the cheapest to do so to remain competitive. Just common sense really.

I doubt if their motivation for the cheapest manufacture is our desire for cheap stuff.
I suspect they're very aware that if they can manufacture stuff at the lowest cost, their product will sell better, and their profits will be maximised.
Costs are then reduced further by economy of scale.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Just because Ireland is in the EU, JohnD puts them all under the same umbrella. He thinnks Ireland is on par with Latvia and Lithuania. Silly JohnD. Here’s a thought, why don’t you go and live in the EU - you can be close to your European investments then.

So are you thinking about moving out of Ireland and migrating to the UK?

So the EU is not as bad as you make out.

And you prefer EU to UK.

Another example of the reponse having no relevance to the original post.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Surely a man of your means and skills would be accepted like a shot in the EU. What were your skills exactly?,

You need a genuine job offer to be accepted. You can't just turn up with your CV and hope to be accepted.

 

[Roy Bloom]

This forum is very good for people saying the bleeding obvious.

It's also very good for those pushing their own false agendas.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Yea, not being able to take the dog on holiday is hardly the worst thing to moan about huh?

Except for pet owners who developed a lifestyle pre-Brexit based on the rules existing then.
Take for example retired people, emigrated to EU for their retirement, have a pet for company and excercise, perhaps needing to return to UK frequently for family/friends special occasions now facing difficulties over their pet transport.
As you get older you find yourself attending more funerals because your friends and family have grown old with you. That requires short term, no-notice journey planning.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It has nothing to do with whether it's the worst thing or not.

It has changed, for the worse, solely because of Brexit. Freedom of movement, you tried suggesting there was no difference. I can't go to Europe at the drop of a hat like I was able to do.

There are other issues, such as long-term ex-pats. If they're tax registered in UK, they may not be able to get, renew or extend a permit to remain in their EU country longer than the 3/6 months allowed, despite having their primary residence there.

 

[Roy Bloom]

How many Schengen countries currently have border controls?, restricting freedom of movement, and why have these border controls been re-introduced?

They're temporary and need to be approved by the EU for genuine reasons. They can't do it just because they want to.
UK exited the Freedom of Movement agreement , just because it wanted to.

Thsoe border controls do not affect EU citizens. They still have freedom of movement, i.e. the right to live and work in other EU countries.

Freedom of movement is not about popping over the border to visit granny.

 

[gant]

Except for pet owners who developed a lifestyle pre-Brexit based on the rules existing then.
Take for example retired people, emigrated to EU for their retirement, have a pet for company and excercise, perhaps needing to return to UK frequently for family/friends special occasions now facing difficulties over their pet transport.
As you get older you find yourself attending more funerals because your friends and family have grown old with you. That requires short term, no-notice journey planning.

Get the violins out.

 

[Roy Bloom]

there is no restriction to freedom of movement for EU citizens

Exactly. Freedom of movement is about the right to live and work in another EU country.
It's not about popping over the border for a bit of shopping.

 

[Odds]

Exactly. Freedom of movement is about the right to live and work in another EU country.
It's not about popping over the border for a bit of shopping.

Tell that to the booze hounds going on a cruise in Calais.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Get the violins out.

I get it that you don't care about people who make a lifestyle choice based on the existing and foreseeable regulations and conditions.
Then their life is in turmoil because a tiny majority of Brits want to change those rules and conditions for no benefit whatsoever.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Tell that to the booze hounds going on a cruise in Calais.

They can still do that after Brexit, notwithstanding the limits now placed on imported booze, the rise in prices, the reduced 'leisure' spending, etc.

 

[Odds]

They can still do that after Brexit, notwithstanding the limits now placed on imported booze, the rise in prices, the reduced 'leisure' spending, etc.

Yeah, they can still do it but it costs more and takes longer to navigate customs.