IBM 600X laptop POST errors

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Hi all, I got POST error messages 00161 and 00163 yesterday and the PC will not boot-up. The codes (from IBM website) indicate a dead backup battery and lack of date/time data. This is consistent with the fault, and the battery certainly was dead ( should be 3v, measured <0.2v). I have replaced the backup battery (CR3025) but the system still does not boot-up, nor does it give me any prompt to enter the date and time; and the same codes come up.

For completeness model is IBM Thinkpad 600X type 2645-5FG with 196Mb memory (which seems to test OK), Win 98 (though it doesn't get that far), and a DVD ROM drive.

I am going to check the voltage and polarity of the new backup battery.
The IBM site offers the following as possibles:-
1. Dead backup battery (tried that)
2. No date/time information (can't enter that!)
3. Main board failure (I hope not)

I am reluctant to accept the dead mainboard option at this stage, as the backup battery was definitely dead.

Any ideas how to proceed?...MM
 
You need to access the BIOS to set the date and time (and any other parameters, which will have been reset due to the dead battery.)

Press and hold the F1 key and then power up the system. Keep pressing the F1 key until the setup menu appears.
 
Thanks for the reply, tried that; F1 held down at turn-on, pressed repeatedly, and held down with no improvement.

The sequence is 1. Turn ON. 2. 5 seconds later 196032 KB OK appears, with 161 below it. 3. After a further 7 seconds 163 appears under that accompanied by two beeps. 4. After the beeps I get the system password icon (padlock) and am prompted to enter the password (which has been deleted since the backup battery went down). 5. As soon as ENTER is pressed I get a single beep and a panel appears showing "ERROR", and the codes "00161" and "00163", with a silly flying duck cursor and two soft buttons "OK" and "Cancel". Both buttons have the same outcome, a further panel which directs me to refer to the manual.

I can't seem to get out of this loop and there is no duck on this second panel. Could it be telling me to take a flying duck (or similar :shock: )?
 
The memory check seems to indicate that it's POSTing ok. You shouldn't have to repeatedly press F1. With the system off, press & hold F1. Power up, while still holding F1 and keep holding until setup starts. You might need to be patient.

Edit. You did put the battery in the right way up?
 
Yes, the battery polarity is correct, it's connected to a polarised plug. I even checked it's polarity compared to the + sign on the body.

It won't let me keep the F1 button pressed when the system password prompt appears, and as soon as I've pressed ENTER to OK the password the fault panel appears, with no apparent way out. Note, there used to be a system password, clearly that reverted to an empty string when the battery failed.

It looks like screwdriver out time...Gulp.... :?
 
The fact that you are being prompted for a password means that one has been set. There are, apparently, 3 levels of password for the Thinkpad. 1) BIOS, 2) Disk and 3) Admin. What symbol is being displayed with the prompt?

It's common for laptop manufacturers to flash the passwords to a chip rather than hold them in CMOS. Removing batteries will not reset these passwords. If this password has been set and you can't remember it, you could be in for a hard time. I'm not sure if replacing the CMOS battery would cause this to activate, but if I was designing the security, it would be a method of protecting data from being stolen. Sometimes a simple default is used (RM use RM, so maybe try IBM?)

If you are the registered owner, you may get help from IBM, however, you could also try this. I've not tried this method, but I have used a similar system on Dells, and it works well.

Certainly the F1 method of BIOS access will work if you can remember the BIOS password.
 
Thanks again.
The password prompt is the first one, before the operating system loads, so I suppose it's the BIOS password. It consists of a locked padlock, with a small safe alongside it. As soon as the ENTER key is pressed it changes to an arrow in a circle, with OK underneath. If the wrong password is entered it gives an "x" and prompt again. 3 "x"s and a crossed circle appears with a hand inside (no entry).
There used to be a windows password, but I disabled that one long ago
 
You need this,

http://www.security-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=23102

Extract taken from site:

updated: June 2006

Hi everybody,

Because so many of you need this I decided to publish here the whole story.

1. Introduction.
As you may know, IBM ThinkPad uses a small eeprom (ATMEL 24RF08) to store different OEM issues like serial number, UUID, etc. The supervisor password (SVP) is stored also into this little chip. So, anybody should figure that he needs to read the eeprom in order to find the password string. The first problem is that 24RF08 is not an ordinary eeprom. The second is that the password is written in a special scan code.
To read this properly you need a software (and an interface) specially designed for this eeprom.
The software is R24RF08 (eeprom reader) and IBMpass (password decoder).

Below is detailed the password recovery procedure. Both R24RF08 and IBMpass are needed. Also for TPs using TCPA security chip to encrypt the passwords, the eeprom writer W24RF08 is needed to complete the unlock procedure.

IBMpass works for absolutely all TP models. The following ThinkPad models are based on 24RF08 eeprom and must be accessed only with 24RF08 programming tools mentioned above:


-240, 240X
-390E, 390X
-570, 570E
-600e, 600X
-770Z
-A20m, A21e, A21m, a22m, A30, A30p, A31, A31p
-G40, G41
-R30, R31, R32, R40, R51
-Transnote, T20, T21, T22, T23, T30, T40, T40p, T41, T41p, T42, T42p
-X20, X21, X22, X23, X24, X30, X31, X40, X41

Also newer models may use the same eeprom. Other ThinkPad models such as 380XD or 600 use 24C01 or 93C46 eeproms, that are the most ordinary and can be read with anything you want. The method is the same like for the models based on 24RF08, only the software to dump the eeprom is different.


2. Locating the eeprom. Soldering.
No need to unsolder the 24RF08 eeprom, just solder 3 wires to SDA, SCL and GND pins of the eeprom. There are two eeprom layouts (see interface schematics described bellow), corresponding to the 8 pin or 14 pin eeproms. Locate the eeprom first according to your model (E.g. T20-23 and T30 have the eeprom underneath and can be accessed by removing the RAM modules cover, no need to dismantle the laptop.) and solder the wires using a soldering iron with a fine tip. Also, you can use 0.15 - 0.20 mm enamel coated wires or similar small diameter insulated wires. These wires will be connected later to the interface.
Tip: You can use clips to connect the wires or you can solder on the PCB traces leading to the eeprom pins. GND wire can be attached to laptop GND elsewhere in most of the cases.
Once again, be careful and double, triple check the soldering if necessary till you are positively sure you have done the right job.

3. Choose and build the interface.
Since version 2.0, R24RF08 and W24RF08 are compatible with a wide range of eeprom programmers. By default, both programs set the COM port signals to use direct logic level to accessI2C bus. We provide here 2 schematics that are relevant for direct logic signals and for inverse logic signals (simple-i2cprog.pdf and driven-i2cprog.pdf). Also, depending of the interface you build, you can invert the logic for SDA-In, SDA-Out, and SCL COM port signals by some command line parameters described later in this document.

a) The file simple-i2cprog.pdf contains the schematic diagram of a simple interface (known as SIPROG) based on 2 zeners and 2 resistors. This is a classic, easy to build circuit and works with soldered or unsoldered eeproms. The purpose of the 2 zeners is to convert RS232 levels (+/- 5~10V) to TTL ones, needed by the eeprom. It uses direct logic signals to I2C eeprom and is powered by the COM port. However, this interface works with in-system eeproms but is dependent on COM port current and eeprom bus impedance. R24RF08 works natively with this circuit, no need to change the lines signals with command line parameters. This circuit works pretty well with almost all Thinkpads series.

b) The second interface is described in driven-i2cprog.pdf. The circuit uses MAX 232 as a RS232 to TTL driver and its main purpose is to work with soldered eeproms. The advantage of MAX232 is the TTL outputs that are more reliable and more powerful when work with soldered, in-system eeproms (dependency free from the COM port current). Due of the internal inverters of MAX232 the interface responds to an inverse signal logic level. R24RF08 needs /x, /d, /i switches to be specified in the
command line.

What this switches mean:
/x - invert serial clock, also known as SCL;
/d - invert serial data output, also known as SDA-Out;
/i - invert serial data input, also known as SDA-In.

All those can be used in any combination to meet the interface specification.

Note. The two schematic diagrams, simple-i2cprog.pdf and driven-i2cprog.pdf are included with R24RF08/W24RF08 kits.


4. How is it working:
Prepare your technician PC by connecting the interface to the COM1 port (don’t connect the wires to eeprom yet). Turn on the ThinkPad and press F1 to enter BIOS Setup. When you are prompted for the password and there’s no other activity like HDD access or so, connect the wires (GND first!, SDA, SCL) to the corresponding wires from the interface (attached before to COM1) and execute R24RF08:

-for SI-PROG interface (as described in 3.a above):
r24rf08.exe <filename.ext>. where filename.ext is the file where eeprom content will be stored.
Example: r24rf08 mytp.bin

-for MAX232 driven I2C interface (as described in 3.b above):
r24rf08.exe <filename.ext> /x /d /i. where /x /d /i are command line parameters (switches) for this kind of interface.
Example: r24rf08 mytp2.bin /x /d /i

Use exactly the instructed switches to avoid possible damages to your eeprom data!

The file should be created in the same folder. Finally, disconnect the wires (GND last!) and turn off the ThinkPad by pressing on/off switch.

5. Reveal the password.
Now, you have the .bin file but you need to dump in scancode to retrieve the password. IBMpass 2.0 Lite is a free tool that i wrote specially for this job. Just open the eeprom dump you’ve created before and search for 0x330, 0x340 lines. The password is located on 0x338 (and 0x340 depending on model) in scancode. For 24C01 eeproms the password is located at 0x38, 0x40. If the password won't work for the very first time then your eeprom may use newer IBM encryptions. In this case switch to alternate scancodes to find it. For those who want quick answers the recommended version is IBMpas 1.1.

Usage for IBMpass 1.1 (command line only):
ibmpass mytp.bin
use /a switch to see in alternate scancode if needed:
ibmpass mytp.bin /a

For some old models like 570 or 770Z you need to execute the eeprom patcher first. This will reset the read protection on the password offset. To do that just execute patcher.exe before the reading operation, without rebooting the laptop:

-for SI-PROG:
patcher.exe , then imediately
r24rf08.exe <filename.ext>

-for Driven-I2C (Max232) you must insert the switches:
patcher.exe /x /d /i, then imediately
r24rf08.exe <filename.ext> /x /d /i
W24RF08, the writer version, has included the complete APP reset operation you don’t need to use patcher.


Also there are a new encrypting algo used with some new security chips. The password is not in scancode and in some cases not even in the eeprom. To unlock the machine, the dump should suffer some changes and the eeprom must be reprogrammed using W24RF08. This operation works for all IBM TCG/TCPA secured laptops w/o exceptions.

For further infos regarding the usage of W24RF08, download and install the program first then read carefully the file CRC_repair.pdf.

T43 and R52 use the super IO (TPM) PC8394T-VJG to store the SVP. The unlock procedure can be done in the same manner but the software needed is RPC8394 (TPM chip reader) and WPC8394 (TPM chip writer).

Remember, use 3 wires from the interface and 3 wires from eeprom! Connect them after your ThinkPad is powered and disconnect them right after you read the content, before you switch off the laptop.

Good luck!
 
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