It must be pure hell for them….

Argh!!!

I get so fed up with all this. Not aimed at this thread, I'm referring to the whole situation. As usual, our government can't organise feck all. How long has this been going on and more importantly, how much longer will it go on. Instead of all this fecking around using hotel rooms, barges, false dawns like Rwanda etc, there should have been a more structured plan. They should have thrown a fairly large sum of tax payers money (cause we pay for all their failed attempts at solutions anyway) at building purpose built accommodation to house these people whilst waiting on a decision to their residency application or whatever it's called. The accommodation should have been designed to be nice enough (no, not 5 star) to ensure the migrants couldn't say 'oh it's like a prison' etc etc. Coupled with this, there should have been investment in employing and training more people to assess their applications.

But no, we don't take a more structured approach to it. We faff, faff and faff some more.

Pathetic.

As for the open letter to the government, the wording of it has all the hallmarks of being drafted by a lawyer or one of the pro-migrant groups.
 
motorbiking said:
the first argument makes sense - I can go along with that. Is there any evidence the fire escapes etc. aren't suitable?

On the second point, I would encourage you to take a look at it in person or via google earth. This is one of the most beautiful places on the south coast. They are no more isolated than anyone else living on the "island" of Portland.
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It is lovely, but they are isolated in a port and will be besieged by some of the worst of the UKs racist aresholes.

They will also inevitably wind up the locals and get blacklisted from shops. You can't dump 500 people into a small, community with zero support infrastructure and expect it to go well.

This is like taking the worst elements of 1950s council estates but then banning any employment or legal income. Then throwing multiple, not automatically friendly nationalities who won't all have a common language and making it single sex.
 
Brigadier said:
How exactly do you reckon this could be achieved?
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We could start with having safe legal routes and also deal with people already here, and who arrive, much faster.

As boat traffic dropped it just wouldn't be such an attraction for the criminals. At the moment it is an industry in itself, even boat making is coordinated.

There will always be some who will try and get in under the radar but if there isn't money to be made the criminals will move on to something else.
 
IT Minion said:
It is lovely, but they are isolated in a port and will be besieged by some of the worst of the UKs racist aresholes.

They will also inevitably wind up the locals and get blacklisted from shops. You can't dump 500 people into a small, community with zero support infrastructure and expect it to go well.

This is like taking the worst elements of 1950s council estates but then banning any employment or legal income. Then throwing multiple, not automatically friendly nationalities who won't all have a common language and making it single sex.
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I honestly don't recognise your description of the place.

I'd happily live in the area.
 
denso13 said:
We could start with having safe legal routes and also deal with people already here, and who arrive, much faster.
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That sums it up pretty well (y)

However there are many reasons why this will never happen...

Starting with...

Politicians always want to sound tough, and any admission of failure is to be avoided at all cost...

And there is a lot of political advantage to be gained by playing to the baying mob within the electorate by diverting home grown failures onto those pesky foreigners!

Finally of course there is a lot of money to be made from human misery, so why would a government rock the corporate boat? ;)
 
diy_fun_uk said:
Argh!!!

I get so fed up with all this. Not aimed at this thread, I'm referring to the whole situation. As usual, our government can't organise feck all. How long has this been going on and more importantly, how much longer will it go on. Instead of all this fecking around using hotel rooms, barges, false dawns like Rwanda etc, there should have been a more structured plan. They should have thrown a fairly large sum of tax payers money (cause we pay for all their failed attempts at solutions anyway) at building purpose built accommodation to house these people whilst waiting on a decision to their residency application or whatever it's called. The accommodation should have been designed to be nice enough (no, not 5 star) to ensure the migrants couldn't say 'oh it's like a prison' etc etc. Coupled with this, there should have been investment in employing and training more people to assess their applications.

But no, we don't take a more structured approach to it. We faff, faff and faff some more.

Pathetic.

As for the open letter to the government, the wording of it has all the hallmarks of being drafted by a lawyer or one of the pro-migrant groups.
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I know, right...'why can't we all live together in peace n' harmonyyyy...'
 
organised criminals like to make money the easy way. You could legalise all drugs tomorrow, but the crime associated with drugs would not cease. There seem to be two tested approaches: welcome everyone vs push back everyone.

We seem to have been late to the party on the hostile environment. Other countries don't pass laws, they let their police beat them up and intimidate them and get their border patrols to shoot at the boats and push them back.
 
motorbiking said:
remind us where they start their journey from again? Where the people trafficking gangs are based and what jurisdiction our police et al have?
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When your life is in danger, you get the hell out of harms way. Once there, you can reflect and you have more time to plan your next steps.
When asylum seekers escape the dangers, they're not in headlong flight mode all the way accross France and across the channel. Once they're out of their country, they have time to plan and weigh up their options.
 
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motorbiking said:
organised criminals like to make money the easy way. You could legalise all drugs tomorrow, but the crime associated with drugs would not cease.
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Of course it would, if the legal options were no more excessively expensive and safer, with medical support attached.
How much is the illegal alcohol industry worth,? Or the illegal tobacco industry?
 
Roy Bloom said:
When your life is in danger, you get the hell out of harms way. Once there, you can reflect and you have more time to plan your next steps.
When asylum seekers escape the dangers, they're not in headlong flight mode all the way accross France and across the channel. Once they're out of their country, they have time to plan and weigh up their options.
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And once they've got their breath back. contact the authorities in the safe country they found themselves in and ask to be recognised as a refugee.

Simple.
 
Mind you

You can hardly blame them from wanting to
Get here

Any one in there right mind would want to leave dire ear a Stan in particular ladies ???

And obviously they have concluded that Living in France leaves a lot to be desired full of scoundrels and dead beats
 
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