No. Read it for yourself and you tell me why he was suspended.
Knife crime in London, another 4 dead.
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Oh, sorry. I thought you knew.
Tell us Motman about these acts of racism
It's well documented that 'Red Ken' hates jews, Ken himself is quoted as saying "Making offensive comments about Jewish people does not make someone inherently anti-Semitic", no, I can't make sense out of that quote either.
Some of those you mention are a little more than 'dodgy connections', they're news outlets he's used to voice anti semitic (racist) views.
Read some of the articles, I think you'll find all the proof you need, or not, if you're so inclined.
Some of those you mention are a little more than 'dodgy connections', they're news outlets he's used to voice anti semitic (racist) views.
Read some of the articles, I think you'll find all the proof you need, or not, if you're so inclined.
please point out the ones that in your opinion provide proof.
obviously an article stating somebody else's opinion is not proof.
Obviously, but on the same basis an article stating his opinion would constitute proof.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...xcl-labour-urged-expel-ken-livingstone-taking
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36177333
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1484160/Livingstone-borrows-Disraeli-defence.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ack-ken-livingstone-over-antisemitic-comments
Accusations of anti semitism have been weaponised to target critics of Israel such as Livingstone.
It is no coincidence that most of those labelled as anti semites are also supporters of the Palestinian people's right to self determination.
Under the old definition of anti semitism an anti semite was some one who hates Jews ,under the new definition of anti semitism an anti semite is someone the Daily Mail and the right wing media hates.
It is ironic that today the left wing socialists are the new 'anti semites' while right wingers like Trump and Tommy Robinson describe themselves as Zionists.
Perhaps you should brush up on the more recent accepted definition,
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-anti-semitism-row-definition-ihra-jeremy-corbyn/
and please provide links to Trump and Tommy Robinson describing themselves as Zionists.
Fillyboy
Are you a new username for motman?
I looked at your first link, and it says "Labour urged to expel Ken Livingstone for taking part in Holocaust debate on Press TV"
I can't see that "taking part in a debate" is proof of racism.
Can you give us a quote, or evidence of an action, by Livingstone, that proves racism?
You're right, taking part in a debate is not on it's own 'racist', but of course your input to the debate could be.
Maybe implying Hitler was initially a good guy for working with the Zionists to send half a million jews to Israel before deciding to kill the rest qualifies, obviously not in your opinion.
can you show me the words which you think show Livingstone to be a racist?
Have you read what Livingstone actually said regarding Hitler and Zionism.
Nowhere does he imply that Hitler was a good guy.
Nevertheless, Anti semitism has increased since Corbyn has been leader.
Its hard to separate real anti semitism from it being used as an excuse to target Corbyn -some of the prominent MPs involved are Corbyn haters and seem to have potential funding from Israel.
However anti semitism insults on social media towards Jewish labour members and MPs is definitely real.
also real is the connection that Corbyn and others have of the stop the war coalition which has connections with anti semitism.
the issue with the hard left is that ideologically they are anti capitalitists. Jewish people and Israel are very successful capitalists. Interestingly the hard left seem to rather like Iran and Press TV.....a country that fights Israel and promotes anti semitism.
Corbyn has for many years supported Hamas and visited Palestine, but he has never once visited Israel to discuss the issue of Palestine or seen the results of Hamas committing terrorist acts in Israel on innocent people.
Demonstrators at Friday’s rally, organised by groups such as the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Socialist Workers Party, and Friends of Al Aqsa, the Stop The War Coalition among others, in response to Donald Trump recognising Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, were heard screaming “Khaybar Khaybar, ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad, sa yahud” – which translates as “Jews, remember Khaybar the army of Muhammad is returning”.
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.co...-of-jews-heard-at-london-u-s-embassy-protest/