Major Incident In Southport

Mottie said:
#331. Pay attention if your going to defend others….
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So the article you presented supported the fact that an incident occurred, albeit exaggerated by other articles. (social media eh? What are they like?) :rolleyes:

There was indeed an incident, in 2000, involving a paediatrician who was mistakenly labelled a "paedo", but there is little evidence that it involved any kind of hysterical mob.

In fact, it was a relatively minor incident, which has been exaggerated and distorted in the re-telling - and turned into a symbol of mass hysteria among the tabloid-reading sections of the population.
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from your link
It, in no way, disputes ella's presentation that an incident did occur and was instigated by some brainless idiots.
Mottie said:
The 2006 BBC link I referred to specifically debunks the 2000 BBC link you’ve trawled up.

"In fact, it was a relatively minor incident, which has been exaggerated and distorted in the re-telling - and turned into a symbol of mass hysteria among the tabloid-reading sections of the population".
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The link presented by ellal does not exaggerate the incident.
It was a relatively minor incident which left a paediatrician feeling vulnerable.
But Mottie thinks it's of no real consequence.
 
Munroast said:
I just don't like the way this term of 'mental health' is so often trotted out as some sort of excuse, some form of mitigation, you must feel sorry for them, they have mental health.

Equally I do understand that there will be folk who's brains are so far out of kilter that they will need to be imprisoned in some sort of institution (we have Carstairs up here, a frightening place to even pass by train, worryingly the track is on a tight bend as it passes the state hospital and the train needs to slow down, that is scary - an escaped one may board!) but these people should never ever be released. If they go down the road of 'its my mental health that did it', then no more light of day for them.
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The courts decide who present the genuine defences or mitigating factors, not social media.
 
JonathanM said:
That wasn't why I was asking. But now we are discussing defences, what about diminished responsibility?
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Ok so basically there is a scale..
At the top you are trying to prove that you had absolutely no control of yourself - the legal term used/borrowed is Automatism
The next level down is diminished responsibility. Manslaughter due to temporary uncontrollable rage etc.
At the bottom you are trying a mitigation argument. (its out of character, he was abused as a child, PTSD etc)


The Edwards case is slightly different.
Here you have a person who having taken advice has opted for a guilty plea. The cynic in me says he did this for 3 reasons:
- discount and leaner sentence
- No trial where the facts of the case are presented - opening him up to even more analysis
- The prosecution have no ability to present their case, so he can talk it down in the media - technical offence etc.
 
Mrs Doubtfyre said:
Marketing data.
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Marketing data would probably say that a butter knife is the most popular knife that is bought in the U.K. but feral youths would more than likely carry a zombie knife or a machete but go on then, put up this marketing data you have.
 
The trial will be in the courts, not on social media.
We don't need to speculate about the legitimacy of the defence case nor the mitigating factors.
Most will present their arguments depending on their prejudice.
 
Mottie said:
Marketing data would probably say that a butter knife is the most popular knife that is bought in the U.K. but feral youths would more than likely carry a zombie knife or a machete but go on then, put up this marketing data you have.
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A butter knife, nor a machete is something that is displayed for fashion.
Try again with a better analogy.
 
Mottie said:
Why do you guess that? It was reported on the BBC web site but it’s not the urban myth you were sucked into, was it?
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It was originally reported on the BBC news, so I guess they were the origin then? :rolleyes:

But I note you haven't commented on the apparent 'urban myth' about the accused killer being a muslim that is fueling much of the right wing racist rioting ;)
 
ellal said:
It was originally reported on the BBC news, so I guess they were the origin then? :rolleyes:

But I note you haven't commented on the apparent 'urban myth' about the accused killer being a muslim that is fueling much of the right wing racist rioting ;)
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Correct. Only one of us is sucked in by urban myths and it’s not me!
 
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