Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Draft Bill

denso13 said:
The invisible elephant that is claimed to exist by some? Any clues to finding the elephant?

Do you believe that Agenda 30 is (somehow) telling the international courts what to do with climate change judgements?
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You should know better to ask me that question.
Is it within forum rulez to take a thread off topic?
I only ask cuz i posted a link where this subject can be persued without taking away interest from the Rwanda thingy.
 
motorbiking said:
@Roy Bloom If you watched his speech. He issued a threat. "no foreign court will stop us".

Seems to be a vote of confidence in Sunak.

He says the Bill deems Rwanda safe unless proved otherwise, so your on the plane until such time as you are coming home.
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ECHR and the UN can't really be described as 'foreign courts'. They're over-arching entities, Somethings you agree to. other issues are beyond an individual state's discretion.

A third country cannot declare another country 'safe' within an international framework.
It can rule that it is safe, as far as UK is concerned, but that does not replicate automatically on an international stage.

For instance, you can't get to Rwanda from UK without passing through other country's territory.
In an extreme situation, the international community could prevent any transfer from UK to Rwanda.
 
Odds said:
Is it within forum rulez to take a thread off topic?
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No, but it expanded because someone claimed that immigration is all planned as part of agenda 30. Which it demonstrably isn't.
 
"Robert Jenrick, one of Rishi Sunak’s longest-serving allies and the Tory MP for Newark, has resigned from the government over immigration policy.

It goes to show that many Conservative MPs have thought about Sunak’s “unite or die” message to the parliamentary party — which he repeated hours before Jenrick’s departure — and decided they really like the look of death. It deepens the sense in Westminster that the Tory government is in its dying days."

FT.com
 
Roy Bloom said:
ECHR and the UN can't really be described as 'foreign courts'. They're over-arching entities, Somethings you agree to. other issues are beyond an individual state's discretion.

A third country cannot declare another country 'safe' within an international framework.
It can rule that it is safe, as far as UK is concerned, but that does not replicate automatically on an international stage.

For instance, you can't get to Rwanda from UK without passing through other country's territory.
In an extreme situation, the international community could prevent any transfer from UK to Rwanda.
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I'm just reporting the news... based on what he said it's not quite what the bill is doing.. he is tying the hands of the UK courts and flipping the burden on those appealing. In effect you are sent to Rwanda as if on remand.
 
JohnD said:
"Robert Jenrick, one of Rishi Sunak’s longest-serving allies and the Tory MP for Newark, has resigned from the government over immigration policy.

It goes to show that many Conservative MPs have thought about Sunak’s “unite or die” message to the parliamentary party — which he repeated hours before Jenrick’s departure — and decided they really like the look of death. It deepens the sense in Westminster that the Tory government is in its dying days."

FT.com
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Wait until next week when Sunak faces the Covid enquiry.
 
motorbiking said:
I'm just reporting the news... based on what he said it's not quite what the bill is doing.. he is tying the hands of the UK courts and flipping the burden on those appealing. In effect you are sent to Rwanda as if on remand.
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Of course. And you choose to report the items that pique your interest, in a way that you interpret them, as we all do.

But when your version is questioned, that's no excuse for rudeness.
 
motorbiking said:
Remember parliament make law, courts interpret. If courts get it "wrong" according to parliament, parliament changes law.
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motorbiking said:
Sunak is speaking now.

He reckons he's blocked every angle. save serious harm. looks like he thinks he's tied the hands of the judiciary and has issued a threat to the ECHR to basically come and have a go if they think they are hard enough.
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Sounds like the 1933 enabling act.

I believe it was Martin Luther King who said: “Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal”

motorbiking said:
If you watched his speech. He issued a threat. "no foreign court will stop us
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Yes it was blatant right wing populism.

foreign courts may not stop them, but there are people in Parliament, the Conservative Party and the Lords as well as the courts who will side with decency.

This is another Tory Psycho drama
 
"Edward Garnier KC, the Conservative peer and former solicitor-general, has said that the legislation is tantamount to declaring “all dogs are cats” and he cannot support the bill. That is particularly significant because Garnier is providing legal advice to the One Nation group of Conservative MPs about the scheme, and several in the group are also minded to vote against the legislation."

I am reminded of a Prime Minister who lied to the nation, to Parliament and to the Queen, and unlawfully attempted to prologue Parliament so that he could rule without the bother of Parliament. The Tory press is very tolerant of law breaking and contempt for the Constitution when it is attempted by one of their own.

Motorbiking takes a very lenient approach.

Let no-one pretend that Tories are the party of Laura Norder.
 
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