Scientist Rebellion

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The final snap came around 2019 when... the panel of scientists reviewing the Sixth Assessment Report published in 2023 by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). It concluded that while limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels as established by the 2015 Paris Agreement was slipping further out of reach, some of the irreversible changes could still be limited by “deep, rapid and sustained” reduction in emissions.

In an opinion piece for The New York Times that she penned shortly after her dismissal from Oak Ridge, Abramoff describes how being a “well-behaved scientist” did not have any tangible effects. “I’m all for decorum, but not when it will cost us the earth,” she writes. Stefan Rahmstorf, head of Earth system analysis at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, described global warming as a nightmare that he cannot wake up from – with children screaming in a burning farmhouse while the fire brigade refuses the call because “some mad person keeps telling them that it’s a false alarm”.

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While burning fossil fuels is responsible for 75 percent of anthropogenic greenhouse gas and 90 percent of carbon dioxide emissions, the International Monetary Fund estimates that the fossil fuel industry received $7 trillion in subsidies in 2022 at a rate of $13 million a minute. Both Kalmus and Abramoff are incredulous that the Biden administration, despite its proclaimed commitment to tackling the climate crisis, approved more than 3,000 new oil-drilling permits on federal land last year – 50 percent more than former President Donald Trump did in a comparable period during his first three years in office.

 

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[Fred Blogs]

What I would like to know is how is making me drive an electric car or making me a vegan or stopping me from doing a boat load of other stuff going to persuade aircraft users to not fly or ships not to ply the oceans. Along with persuading russia, china, india and all the other industrial nations not to produce goods and to stop polluting the atmosphere, if that is actually happening which I doubt.

 

[securespark]

Surely doing something is better than doing nothing?

We can't force change on others, but we can change what we are doing.

Your attitude seems to be "They're all doing it, so we might as well too"..., as explained in the last three words you wrote.

The problem has been the attitude "Well, I'm not going to be here in the next X years, so I don't care. All I care about is making lots of money for me and my family."

We are in a position where we should be doing all we can to limit our impact on the planet.

 

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What I would like to know is how is making me drive an electric car or making me a vegan or stopping me from doing a boat load of other stuff going to persuade aircraft users to not fly or ships not to ply the oceans. Along with persuading russia, china, india and all the other industrial nations not to produce goods and to stop polluting the atmosphere, if that is actually happening which I doubt.

China's trying its best to supply half the world's electric vehicles at the moment - what's the UK doing to further its contribution?

As Western countries withdraw funding for for Climate science, it's easy to see why scientists of all folk are taking the extreme measures usually associated with the great unwashed herd of professional protesters who regularly turn up to glue themselves to roads or throw custard over a Rembrandt. All the promises by our politicians at Cop26 have been dissembled into a stew of excuses and served cold to the British public.

 

[ajohn]

Along with persuading russia, china, india and all the other industrial nations not to produce goods and to stop polluting the atmosphere, if that is actually happening which I doubt.

China has spent more on greening than the rest of the world all put together but they have a far more severe problem than most. All countries are much the same. Stop immediately and the economies collapse. Money make the world go round in many areas. "Living standards" of sorts improve making things worse. Market sizes grow as does population in some areas especially backwards improving ones. Birth rates may decline as countries "improve". S Korea is a spectacular example according to the news. China took action to reduce population growth for a while. Maybe they stopped due to the problems it will cause but who knows I don't.

The global warming swindle group looked at total CO2 production and concluded that we don't contribute much. Pictorially they used rotting tree leaves to explain. Fine idea but mankind has been upsetting the tree balance ever since agriculture started to appear, rather a long time ago. It continues in some countries.

Predictions from the 60's. Rainforest destruction will change weather patterns generally all over the planet. The natural state of some countries is loads of trees but taking Europe as an example loads went a good while ago due to farming.

So possible reason for weather pattern change but slow increase in temperature, Reason left CO2. Temperature also relates to weather patterns and ocean currents.

CO2 levels can be measured in ice cores. Interesting animation,

 

[ajohn]

China's trying its best to supply half the world's electric vehicles at the moment - what's the UK doing to further its contribution?

What car makers we have here are doing their best but along comes trade wars. Chinese electric into the US 100% import duty and some level set on a lot of related stuff. Some delayed as China is one of the current sources.
EU - 30%+ announced recently. Something of a problem as parts for vehicles do come from China.

Interesting
China unequivocally supports Hungarian enterprises in taking a bigger part in all kinds of economic and trade expos and fairs held in China. The two sides agreed to deepen cooperation on the facilitation of customs clearance of the China-Europe Land-Sea Express Line to facilitate cross-border trade.
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SZEGED, Hungary — Amid the rolling Great Plains, ground is being cleared for a giant new building: a Chinese-owned electric vehicle factory, courtesy of BYD. The €501 million investment in a 300-hectare industrial park is expected to be completed in 2025.7 May 2024

Maybe the tariffs are intended to make China produce where they are sold. As Japan does but in the US's case I think it is a trade war. Similar to Trump and steel. China wouldn't cut back production to increase price levels so he stuck a tariff on Chinese steel.

Some countries have made trade deals with China. NZ appears to be one. Oz upset them so they retaliated so are now trying to be friends again.

 

[IT Minion]

What I would like to know is how is making me drive an electric car or making me a vegan or stopping me from doing a boat load of other stuff going to persuade aircraft users to not fly or ships not to ply the oceans. Along with persuading russia, china, india and all the other industrial nations not to produce goods and to stop polluting the atmosphere, if that is actually happening which I doubt.

That's why regulation is important, you get everyone to stop thrashing the environment. So the selfish ****ers don't ruin it for everyone.

China is installing over half the renewables in the world at the moment. Their progress is phenomenal.

 

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In April 2021, Frans Timmermans, the vice-president of the EU commission, said:
“Today’s children will face a future of fighting wars for water and food.” We are already facing significant impacts on our harvests here. The prospect of wars over resources and conflict caused by and exacerbated by climatic conditions is an almost unbearable intergenerational injustice. The loss of biodiversity, meanwhile, will erode the foundations of our economies, livelihoods, food security, law and order, health and quality of life worldwide.

Farage proposes to cut Foreign Aid and cut Net Zero targets in order to 'save Britain': clueless. Absolutely clueless.

 

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At 1.2°C of current heating, human-induced climate breakdown has been wreaking havoc now on every continent. Science has been warning since the 1950s. Today, its impacts are unravelling ecosystems across the globe. This year alone, heat waves and an ongoing historical drought are ravaging South America; Europe and the Mediterranean region are bracing themselves for another drought. The Horn of Africa is facing a devastating 4th year of drought. Last year, record droughts have also scorched the Global North while Pakistan, Nigeria and Australia faced record floods.

Climate breakdown is only one of nine planetary boundaries, of which at least six have already been exceeded. Breaking these boundaries has set us on a path of rapidly approaching irreversible biogeophysical tipping points. At this pace, we can expect to see cascading tipping points, where passing a tipping point accelerates another. With no chance to reverse our impact on Earth's systems, we won't be able to avoid further and increasing death and destruction caused by climate breakdown and biodiversity loss.

Meanwhile, our economy keeps increasing. At the current pace, by 2050, energy demand is projected to be 47% higher than it is today. The demand of 12 different key minerals is also set to increase six-fold. A global economy, growing at the current pace, will be 33% larger after 10 years. Moreover, our growth-based economy has been driving inequality between and within countries, which underlies the enormous disparities of energy and material use between the richest 1% and the rest of humanity. This inequality lies at the heart of the climate emergency, as millionaires alone are set to use up 2/3 of the remaining +1.5°C carbon budget by 2050.

The fantasy of ‘unlimited’ growth on a ‘limited’ planet stumbles on the fact that GDP growth is still 1:1 coupled to energy and material consumption, and therefore leads to further greenhouse gas emissions and biodiversity loss. Every year we use more resources than the Earth can regenerate. We have been consistently failing to decrease global emissions since the Paris Agreement. We are forced to ask how we return to the ‘climate safe zone’.

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[ajohn]

On CO2 levels in the animation I posted goes way back in history. 4mins isn't long.

1st COP. Gov's tended to grasp onto a deviation in tree ring data. Noticed by some one who has been related to the oil group. Tree rings are only any good over longer periods as growth can be influenced by a number of factors.

Recent COP change - gas is greener than oil. Some countries might be wondering where their revenue will come from. Those that apply tax probably will be too at some point.