Speaker of the House of Commons

[blup]

He is on his way out.

So is he going or staying? Does anyone have a view?

Given the pressure he was put under - it seems it was fire vs frying pan.

He said almost nothing at PMQ's, so has lost the stomach for the fight, and the confidence of many MP's. Rightly so after his disgraceful partisanship towards Starmy. He will probably throw the towel in.

 

[gant]

The mayor of London, accused by a former senior Tory MP of being under the control of “Islamists”, is in fact facing death threats from Islamist extremists, the Guardian has learned. Sadiq Khan has been receiving police protection, usually reserved for a handful of senior cabinet ministers or royals, since 2017, of a team of about 15 police protection officers protecting him around the clock.

It also emerged on Tuesday that a man had pleaded guilty to making threats against Khan after Lee Anderson’s comments.

The Guardian

It's rumoured that 10p-Lee is off to the Reform UK party where his rhetoric will be warmly applauded by the followers of Far-rage.

Poor old odds falling for this crap, begs the question why didn't Khan raise this mattero earlier, can't be Anderson's has called it right and now he's pleading the innocent which by all accounts he's very deft at.

 

[Vinty]

The mayor of London, accused by a former senior Tory MP of being under the control of “Islamists”, i

Instead of sacking Lee Anderson.
He should have been given the opportunity to explain how Khan is controlled by Islamists.
He should name those involved and allow the police to investigate.
If his claims are substantiated then he should receive an apology, if no evidence is found to support his allegations , then he deserves to get kicked out of the Tory party.

 

[motorbiking]

Is it islamophobic or Racist to say someone is an islamist? If it is, then surely the same can be said for calling someone a Zionist.

Anneliese Dodds, the Labour chair, said: “Lee Anderson’s comments are unambiguously racist and Islamophobic"

I don't see it. He's right or wrong.

Islamist - Term used to describe an Islamic political or social activist.

 

[gant]

That would be a can of words, there would be some mud slinging going on there.

 

[SirGalahad]

Is it islamophobic or Racist to say someone is an islamist? If it is, then surely the same can be said for calling someone a Zionist.

Anneliese Dodds, the Labour chair, said: “Lee Anderson’s comments are unambiguously racist and Islamophobic"

I don't see it. He's right or wrong.

Islamist - Term used to describe an Islamic political or social activist.

You need to define the terms first not more of this brexit means brexit.

What is an Islamist? The Legal defintion if there is one otherwise it can mean anything.

When did zionism become a race? It's a political ideology, a Jewish nationalist movement.

 

[motorbiking]

My definition was from the Oxford English dictionary.

I'm not aware of a legal definition of islamist. Please enlighten me if you have one.

 

[ajohn]

There is another Tory - think it's the no go Sparkhill bloke. He's appologised but when interviewed it doesn't sound like he really has. He's clearly never been to the place as well which is also more complicated than it looks to be.

 

[JonathanM]

Is it islamophobic or Racist to say someone is an islamist? If it is, then surely the same can be said for calling someone a Zionist.

As another poster pointed out, imagine the reaction if he'd said the mayor was being controlled by Jews.

 

[motorbiking]

it doesn't make it antisemitic to say that - its either true or untrue

 

[JonathanM]

it doesn't make it antisemitic to say that - its either true or untrue

Surely, it would be the textbook definition of anti-semitism, to claim that Jews are controlling part of the government? In the same way as Labour's Rochdale candidate was finally dropped when he intimated that Jews were controlling part of the media.

 

[ajohn]

My definition was from the Oxford English dictionary.

I'm not aware of a legal definition of islamist. Please enlighten me if you have one.

Try a more appropriate word. It helps if people concentrate on the correct word

Racist
characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
"we are investigating complaints about racist abuse"

a person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
"he has been targeted by vicious racists online"

 

[gant]

Appreciate words can be meaningless in the face of whats happening Are you comfortable we have a two tier police force pandering to the minority because their numbers are growing and appeasement is the answer for the government and police force.

 

[JonathanM]

By allowing legal and peaceful protests?

 

[gant]

By allowing legal and peaceful protests?

It's what they descend into is the problem. The flagrant use of wearing of masks and inflammatory language. The surrounding of the house of commons last week trying influence how mps vote. The leader of the opposition bending parliamentary rules because he's to frit to take them on.