Speaker of the House of Commons

[Vinty]

It's all ridiculous anyway, the Israelis aren't interested in what UK political parties

They aren't interested in Britain's internal affairs.
That's why they have supporters in both main parties.
What Israel is really interested in is the UKs foreign policy in relation to Israel.
This explains the viciousness of the campaign against Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party.
The Prospect, however remote, of Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister,caused panic amongst the pro Israel lobby and the Israeli government.

 

[fillyboy]

It was Penny Mordaunt who ensured that would happen!! I don't think anybody knows why she chose to do this after the debate had finished and just before the first vote was due. It seems petty and spiteful.

Nonetheless Mordaunt was a staunch defender of the Speaker and claims he's a victim of Labour bullying.

 

[fillyboy]

This explains the viciousness of the campaign against Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party.
The Prospect, however remote, of Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister,caused panic amongst the pro Israel lobby and the Israeli government.

So, Netanyahu prevented Corbyn from being elected?

Feckin eejit.

 

[blup]

It's appalling that with this story dominating the headlines, there is not a single comprehensive, coherent explanation of what actually happened in any media source. I've been doing my best to piece it together from various sources



I think the above is wrong, though.

Agreed, I thought I had deleted it

From reading Hansard, it seems Penny Mordaunt's hand grenade left everyone confused. With the government withdrawing their own amendment, nobody really seemed to know what would happen next. The SNP ask several times for a clear explanation from the Deputy Speaker. In the end she seeks clarification herself and then tells the SNP that the Labour amendment will be voted on first, and if the Labour motion passes, then there will be no vote on the SNP motion. It is clear that after hearing that explanation, the SNP walk out, because another MP then refers to the fact that they have left.

Hand grenade, or legitimate response to a disgracefully partisan decision by the Speaker, but done in the knowledge there would be no vote on the snp motion, which was far was worse for the government.

The only way that the SNP motion wouldn't get a vote would be if the Labour motion passed. It was Penny Mordaunt who ensured that would happen!! I don't think anybody knows why she chose to do this after the debate had finished and just before the first vote was due. It seems petty and spiteful. If it really was such an important point of principle, they should have withdrawn their amendment before the debate started. Not lead everyone up the garden path and do it at the last second.

Im not sure they had fully worked out the implications until later

 

[JonathanM]

Have you read this one.

Yes, I've seen that and several very similar explanations. I was wanting a clearer explanation of the chaos in the HoC after Penny Mordaunt announced, just before the first vote, that the government were withdrawing their amendment. Why wasn't the SNP's motion then voted on first, once the government's amendment was withdrawn? Was this in itself a procedural error by the Deputy Speaker? What then caused the SNP and the Tories, at a later stage, to leave together? Did they actually then come back for the vote "on the nod"? Why wasn't there a proper vote in the lobbies? Is it true that Tory MPs staged a sit-down in the No lobby? Is it true that the Deputy Speaker couldn't hear shouts of "No" because of all the noise? I can't find any account that goes through all these things logically and with explanation. Which I find pretty poor, bearing in mind the headlines these chaotic scenes caused.

 

[blup]

No

They left with faux outrage because they wanted to get at Hoyle and Labour.

It’s known as the nasty party for a reason

Labour got an extra hour by debating a minor bill, that gave smarmy time to lean on the Speaker. He played on his weak point - mp’s safety, and it worked. The speaker was turned over by labour and ended up the useful idiot. Not an excuse but rather shows he is not up to the job. Stammer has shown what a ruthless maniplulative political operator he is. Now who's the nasty party?

 

[JonathanM]

Labour got an extra hour by debating a minor bill, that gave smarmy time to lean on the Speaker. He played on his weak point - mp’s safety, and it worked. The speaker was turned over by labour and ended up the useful idiot. Not an excuse but rather shows he is not up to the job. Stammer has shown what a ruthless maniplulative political operator he is. Now who's the nasty party?

Not a fan, then Is there something in particular you don't like about him, or is just because he is the Labour leader? He's always seemed pretty inoffensive to me! I have no idea where you stand politically

 

[Vinty]

So, Netanyahu prevented Corbyn from being elected?

Feckin eejit.

He had a hand in it probably.
Not directly, he was a lot busier with other issues at the time.
I wouldn't vote for Corbyn, I think he is a bit of clown and unfit to be Prime minister.
It wasn't only the pro Israel lobby who were worried when Corbyn became leader, other groups with no connection to Israel were concerned as well.
However they all joined in on the attack using the weaponised smear of antisemitism to bring down Corbyn and damage the Labour Party.
I have no sympathy for Corbyn but I think the way the media misrepresented the Labour Party was shameful.

 

[fillyboy]

Labour got an extra hour by debating a minor bill, that gave smarmy time to lean on the Speaker. He played on his weak point - mp’s safety, and it worked. The speaker was turned over by labour and ended up the useful idiot. Not an excuse but rather shows he is not up to the job. Stammer has shown what a ruthless maniplulative political operator he is. Now who's the nasty party?

Safety from whom? I'd assume safety from the baying mobs outside parliament and across social media calling for direct action against anyone who doesn't hate Israel enough.

 

[JohnD]

hate Israel enough.

Filly maintains that anyone who does not support racism, apartheid and genocide must be doing it because of hatred.

Forgetting that, in fact, anyone who DOES support racism, apartheid and genocide IS doing it because of hatred.

 

[fillyboy]

Filly maintains that anyone who does not support racism, apartheid and genocide must be doing it because of hatred.

Forgetting that, in fact, anyone who DOES support racism, apartheid and genocide IS doing it because of hatred.

No, he was referring to Hoyle's concerns for MP's safety, many have indeed received death threats.

Who do you think the death threats are coming from John?,

 

[blup]

Not a fan, then Is there something in particular you don't like about him, or is just because he is the Labour leader? He's always seemed pretty inoffensive to me! I have no idea where you stand politically

Im calling out the hypocrisy of his actions, it will not tip the balance in how or whether i vote, but the sh*t show that is the torey government doesn’t excuse his cynical behaviour. For a former DPP prosecutor who claims to uphold the rule of law hes shown his true colours.

 

[Mottie]

You don’t like Starmer so you don’t want to believe it. That’s between you and your cognitive bias

It’s a good job you lead by example and don’t dismiss offhand anything Tory/Sunak related eh?

 

[ajohn]

Have you read this one.

A twitter post. Be interesting if the BBC echo's it. This is the sort of thing C4 often do live.

But fact is the Guardian also doesn't know what will happen.

 

[ajohn]

Who do you think the death threats are coming from John?,

I haven't heard of one from Cornwall so probably not you.

Fact is this area is a worry as there are nutters around and things do happen. Sunak has a solution LOL "We can't allow this sort of thing to interfere"

Anyway they have managed to produce a video clip that will be shown all over the world for amusement. That happens with PM Questions in the US now and again.