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motorbiking said:
I think that is an example of what some here like to a call a straw man.

Can I have the 15mm spanner, sure here you go. There is no approval in that process. It's a request and an action.
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It's more like you asking for the keys to the car.

Have you got a licence, and insurance? I check it, and somebody else checks it. Only then can you have the keys.

It's been approved and authorised. Once we all sign the release form of course
 
JonathanM said:
But you specifically say



You are explicity saying that, in reaching their opinion as to whether the abortion meets the criteria, they are authorising the abortion.
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Why not quote the whole paragraph, it's fairly obvious I am talking about a medical authorisation... which is nothing to do with the legal exemption. As I've said doctors are required to authorise all sorts of things relating to treatments, drugs, procedures etc..

Make it as big as you like - You don't understand it. The doctors are required to authorise it because they have to assess if the abortion is likely to cause more harm than going term. That is not an approval to abort based on their beliefs, it is simply an assessment on the safety of the procedure. It is no different to them refusing to operate on a fatty because the anaesthetic will likely kill them.
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The above has absolutely nothing to do with abortion law. If the woman has a medical condition, they wont be wanting to do something that could kill her or cause worse problems.

It would be the same if the offences against the person act did not make abortion illegal.
 
carmanmemoranda said:
It's more like you asking for the keys to the car.

Have you got a licence, and insurance? I check it, and somebody else checks it. Only then can you have the keys.

It's been approved and authorised. Once we all sign the release form of course
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Thats a great example because such a failure is a criminal offence.

Road Traffic Act 1988

An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to road traffic with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission.
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk

Unlike the abortion act

Abortion Act 1967

An Act to amend and clarify the law relating to termination of pregnancy by registered medical practitioners.
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk

which has no such requirement
 
motorbiking said:
Thats a great example because such a failure is a criminal offence.

Road Traffic Act 1988

An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to road traffic with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission.
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk

Unlike the abortion act

Abortion Act 1967

An Act to amend and clarify the law relating to termination of pregnancy by registered medical practitioners.
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk

which has no such requirement
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No.

If you asked to borrow my car, it is not up to me to ensure you are legally authorised.

But i wouldn't let you borrow it if i wasn't sure you were insured and licensed. And had to sign a statement agreeing we (3 of us) had checked it. Approved it
 
carmanmemoranda said:
No.

If you asked to borrow my car, it is not up to me to ensure you are legally authorised.
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I literally just posted the law - telling you it is.


Did you even read it.?


87 Drivers of motor vehicles to have driving licences.
(1)It is an offence for a person to drive on a road a motor vehicle of any class [F1otherwise than in accordance with] a licence authorising him to drive a motor vehicle of that class.

(2)It is an offence for a person to cause or permit another person to drive on a road a motor vehicle of any class [F2otherwise than in accordance with a licence authorising that other person] to drive a motor vehicle of that class.
 
motorbiking said:
which has no such requirement
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No one is arguing the legalities.

What people are saying is that the abortion can not proceed unless it is signed off by two doctors. Once it has been signed off - then it is approved or authorised. You said so yourself.
 
No - I said doctors are required to approve many aspects of treatment and the process of forming an opinion in the case of abortion is neither authorisation nor approval. It's just a statement of opinion. simple
 
motorbiking said:
No - I said doctors are required to approve many aspects of treatment and the process of forming an opinion in the case of abortion is neither authorisation nor approval. It's just a statement of opinion. simple
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So the procedure can go ahead if they don't agree the criteria are met? They don't sign it. It's not authorised. Not approved.
 
motorbiking said:
No - I said doctors are required to approve many aspects of treatment and the process of forming an opinion in the case of abortion is neither authorisation nor approval. It's just a statement of opinion. simple
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FFS!

You are nuts, lol. Its approval/authorisation. Doctors, nurses, solicitors and lawmakers say the same. Grow up. You were wrong boyo.
 
motorbiking said:
I literally just posted the law - telling you it is.


Did you even read it.?


87 Drivers of motor vehicles to have driving licences.
(1)It is an offence for a person to drive on a road a motor vehicle of any class [F1otherwise than in accordance with] a licence authorising him to drive a motor vehicle of that class.

(2)It is an offence for a person to cause or permit another person to drive on a road a motor vehicle of any class [F2otherwise than in accordance with a licence authorising that other person] to drive a motor vehicle of that class.
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I've told you, I'd check.

No licence, no insurance and I don't approve. You dont get the keys.
 
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