It won't stop the RWR religious morons from trying.
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Complications during pregnancy can kill women, not pregnancy itself.
Most women dont have abortions to save their lives, they have them to get rid of an unwanted child.
The state is complicit in this act because it doesn't want the burden of disabled and abandoned children.
Its cheaper to encourage women to kill off their kids before they are born.
Reducing the gestation period is probably irrelevant or moot but might be proposed along side some more beneficial measures. Simply to get all sides interested. I doubt the gestation cut off will be reduced by any meaningful amount, like they have done in the fruit loop states in the US.
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And safer for the women. But don't let that get in the way of a male religious fruit loop and his hatred of women.
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I've asked you before, I'll ask again.
Each case is individual. Do you have any facts of any case in order to help make a decision?
What right do you have to impose your views on any woman's case without any facts ?
No it will not - but even with a loaded SC the anti-abortion lobby will persist in using arcane litigation in order to clog up the courts and maintain a public profile on the issue. Democrats will push the pro-choice message hard as the election digs in to Fall.
All cases are individual just like the child that is aborted.
There may be exceptions where termination of a pregnancy may be necessary but most abortions are not those exceptions.
However abortion today is used as a form of birth control.
Does that mean if they don't have the consultations, they can't have an abortion?
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So you have no facts but can make decisions for all the women Involved.
Arrogant if not woman hating
So you accept that the killing of unborn children simply because of disability or lifestyle reasons is ok.
A bit typical of some august body sitting around a table jawing and looking for problems. So find some proof that the delay is due to the 2 docs aspect. An abortion clinic is set up to work that way. Use a GP - does a referral count as an approval. Pass. In some respects given the allowed reasons for an abortion it could. The GP would just need to discuss that. Some might have religious objections so another would need to be found. The usual main reasons for an abortion being allowed boil down to an unwanted baby. The baby all being ok will be around for a long time which takes care of that aspect - long term effect on the mother or even other children in the family.
Then there is the mechanics. Just copy pasting from the NHS
The length of the menstrual cycle varies from woman to woman, but the average is to have periods every 28 days. Regular cycles that are longer or shorter than this, from 23 to 35 days, are normal.
Between the ages of 12 and 52, a woman will have around 480 periods, or fewer if she has any pregnancies.
It's difficult to pinpoint exactly when ovulation happens but in most women, it happens around 10 to 16 days before the next period.
Women who have a regular, 28-day cycle are likely to be fertile around day 14 of their menstrual cycle, but this won't apply to women whose cycles are shorter or longer.
I made are likely bold as I know for a fact that my wife's fertile period was shorter than that also other people wives that I know of via their husbands.
Then comes possible reasons for delays. Period late so test.
You can carry out most pregnancy tests from the first day of a missed period. If you don't know when your next period is due, do the test at least 21 days after you last had unprotected sex.
Some very sensitive pregnancy tests can be used even before you miss a period.
A positive test result is almost certainly correct. However, a negative test result is less reliable.
All pregnancy tests detect the hormone human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), which starts to be produced around 6 days after fertilisation.
Then comes the decision. Most couples will want a baby at some point. How long do they need to make their mind up to have an abortion?
The fact is that 88% of abortions are carried out between 3 to 9 weeks. 5.6% between 10 and 12,. 5.1% between 13 and 19 weeks. And 1.3% over 20 weeks. 2020 figures for GB. Is it reasonable to assume that the past 9 weeks plus 6 days is just down to the need for 2 doctors?
Then there are screening tests during pregnancy which may lead to an amniocentesis which is always done late for safety reason >15 weeks
Screening tests in pregnancy
Find out about screening tests in pregnancy. These include ultrasound scans and blood tests to try to find any health conditions that could affect you or your baby.
www.nhs.uk
The facts are that abortion kills a child.
You either accept those facts or you don't.
I don't believe I was missing the point. This is something we haven't discussed before. We are now talking about what would have happened to a viable foetus, before 1991. Nothing to do with the socio-economic criteria and mental health grounds for a non-viable foetus, which we had been discussing.
So, taking the example you give of 1980. At that time, we are talking about at least 24 weeks before a foetus would have been viable. So at first look, it seems you are correct. In the three situations you mention, before 1991, if a woman had wanted an abortion after 24 weeks, then she could not have had one. We are talking about 0.1% of abortions, though. That does not amount to the bar being substantially lowered in 1991.
Yes it does.
Yes. It's up to the woman. If she does not want to have a child, so be it.