Vive La France!

[noseall]

The father has some influence upon the life of a child, surely.
He's expected to be there throughout her pregnancy, at the birth, participate in caring for the child...you know how much work that is, right? How does he not have a say in whether or not the woman gets an abortion on a child he may wish to live?

Some inluence yes, if the couple have agreed and want a child together.

No - to the second point.

It's not his body or his choice - third point.

 

[space junkie]

So what if during the first 14 weeks, we were like France, where you don't need two doctors opinion? And then from 14 to 24 weeks the system remains the same. Some people might think that was an improvement. What is so perfect about the current system that changes can't be discussed?

I personally have no problem with discussing the current framework, or changes to it, as long as any data presented is genuine, up to date, and presented in honest format.

 

[noseall]

You believe that a woman should have the unilateral right to destroy a life other than her own.

I belive it her decision and hers alone, to seek an aborton yes.

 

[noseall]

I personally have no problem with discussing the current framework, or changes to it, as long as any data presented is genuine, up to date, and presented in honest format.

Are there any dishonest posts you are unhappy about?

 

[JonathanM]

Are there any dishonest posts you are unhappy about?

Me, I'm afraid. I posted that article from The Guardian.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The facts are that abortion kills a child.
You either accept those facts or you don't.

That's not a "fact" .

The real important actual facts are what you are not taking into account. Every personal reason and instance.

When you have some relevant facts you might, repeat might, be in a position to make a judgement.

Until then leave it to the woman who's body it is

 

[space junkie]

1 consultation, which must be followed up by written request. Until 2015, there was a mandatory 7 day cooling off period. Vive la France indeed.

Possibly. Not sure.

Approval is quite specific in the UK and is peculiar or unique to abortion, i.e. two doctors MUST sign it off before it can proceed. Until then there is no approval.

Two consultation, but the first can be with a midwife, sex education worker, family planning.

There are other important differences, e.g. under age pregnant girls do not need parental consent, or even notification.

 

[motorbiking]

That's not a "fact" .

The real important actual facts are what you are not taking into account. Every personal reason and instance.

When you have some relevant facts you might, repeat might, be in a position to make a judgement.

Until then leave it to the woman who's body it is

You really should read Noseall's report, perhaps he could post a link.

There was a lot of scientific opinion about when the foetus develops awareness, a sense of pain, basic brain function. Not to mention the obvious fact, that terminating a healthy foetus is the destruction of a potential human life. Society, should rightly set boundaries.

 

[Brigadier]

I still don't get it.

If someone believes a life was created at conception, how is that changed by them not finding out about it until weeks later. I know I am missing a logical step, so if you could just talk me through it that would be very helpful.

Because it cant be known to be conception at the time, because no one can know it was successful until weeks or months later.

Like saying you've had a great holiday, when you haven't even got through check - in.

 

[motorbiking]

Its more like saying when does the holiday start..

At some point the life is created. It is as daft to say when its born as it is to say when the egg is fertilised

 

[Brigadier]

It is as daft to say when its born as it is to say when the egg is fertilised

Which is why I didn't say either of those things.

Not all fertilised eggs go on, naturally, to viability.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You really should read Noseall's report, perhaps he could post a link.

There was a lot of scientific opinion about when the foetus develops awareness, a sense of pain, basic brain function. Not to mention the obvious fact, that terminating a healthy foetus is the destruction of a potential human life. Society, should rightly set boundaries.

Again. Its down to the woman involved and her circumstances and reasons .

When, and only when, these are taken into account, you as a person, and others too, can then help the woman make an informed decision.

Until then, leave it to the woman involved and medical supervision.

In other words, you have no right to decide on her behalf. You have no relevant facts

 

[space junkie]

Yes, two consultations, at least a week apart. But purely to discuss the procedure. Not two doctors opinions about whether the criteria for abortion are met.

No mention of the week interval between consultations in the French government web site.

 

[JonathanM]

No mention of the week interval between consultations in the French government web site.

I can see that, now.

 

[space junkie]

Does that mean if they don't have the consultations, they can't have an abortion?

Yes it does.

Preventing an abortion is an offence:
The obstruction offense to abortion is punishable by 2 years imprisonment and €30,000 of fine.

I appreciate that doesn't answer your question. But maybe it places an onus on the various RMP to provide the consultations.

JonathanM, where did you find this answer?