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But the stats are pretty solid.

The proportion of abortions that are performed at under 10 weeks has continued to increase since 2011. In 2021, 89% of abortions were performed under 10 weeks, increasing from 88% in 2020 and 78% in 2011. The percentage performed at 20 weeks was 1% in both 2020 and 2021.
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source https://www.gov.uk/government/stati..., the abortion rate for,6.4 per 1,000 in 2021).


If 90% of your extensions, were completed on time and within budget and just 1% ran significantly over it would be unfair to say you had a problem with delivering to time and budget.

It really does seem to be a well run service delivering what is needed.
 
motorbiking said:
But the stats are pretty solid.



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source https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales-2021/abortion-statistics-england-and-wales-2021#:~:text=Key points in 2021,-There were 214,256&text=The age standardised abortion rate,the Abortion Act was introduced.&text=However, the abortion rate for,6.4 per 1,000 in 2021).


If 90% of your extensions, were completed on time and within budget and just 1% ran significantly over it would be unfair to say you had a problem with delivering to time and budget.

It really does seem to be a well run service delivering what is needed.
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Your charts don't show the delays in those starting the abortion process and completing it.
Some women have to wait weeks. Thats not good. It could be much better.
 
motorbiking said:
But the stats are pretty solid.



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source https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales-2021/abortion-statistics-england-and-wales-2021#:~:text=Key points in 2021,-There were 214,256&text=The age standardised abortion rate,the Abortion Act was introduced.&text=However, the abortion rate for,6.4 per 1,000 in 2021).


If 90% of your extensions, were completed on time and within budget and just 1% ran significantly over it would be unfair to say you had a problem with delivering to time and budget.

It really does seem to be a well run service delivering what is needed.
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Those stats are the recorded stats from forms completed and received.
They are based on standard reporting for periodic data.
It does not address, in any way, problems within the system. A completely different form of investigation would be required to identify any problems within the service.

For example, if Noseall's report was based on his projects alone, and there were numerous other unaccomplished projects, the data would not identify those unaccomplished projects, thus the report would not identify any problems within the industry.
Additionally, in times of high inflation, Noseall might choose not to apply any uplift in his prices during the project life.
That wouldn't mean that he doesn't have a problem with material or labour costs, and that his overall costs and profit are suffering.

Thus your presented report is pointless. It doesn't address the issues that you suggest it addresses
 
ajohn said:
It infers it doesn't take all that long to get things signed up.
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For a lot of women, no. It is still an issue for many. We are talking large numbers here (abortion numbers in general). That is, thousands of women face unnecessary delays in getting their abortion approved, which is especially relevant to those whose abortion is time critical.
 
ajohn said:
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Lovely graph.

Doesn't change any of this though....

noseall said:
For a lot of women, no. It is still an issue for many. We are talking large numbers here (abortion numbers in general). That is, thousands of women face unnecessary delays in getting their abortion approved, which is especially relevant to those whose abortion is time critical.
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(y)
 
ajohn said:
Try trends since 1967 here
en.wikipedia.org

Abortion in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
The 2 graphs on the right. Bear in mind the time needed for a woman to determine she is pregnant also that negatives are less reliable.
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Official data that does not cover problems are irrelevant.
If the official stats only deal with the known and recorded terminations, it cannot hope to identify the problems.

Taking motorbiking's analogy:
motorbiking said:
But the stats are pretty solid.
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If 90% of your extensions, were completed on time and within budget and just 1% ran significantly over it would be unfair to say you had a problem with delivering to time and budget.

It really does seem to be a well run service delivering what is needed.
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If the recorded data only deals with completed projects and fails to identify the incomplete or non-starters, due to factors within the system, e.g. shortage of labour or materials, it will never identify or recognise problems within that industry.
If a planning department only presented stats on approved projects. it would never identify problems with projects that do not get approval.
Therefore it could never address those problems, because it never identified them.
 
noseall said:
Lovely graph.
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Good luck with looking for information you wont find and taking anecdocal comments on face value from groups that want change. That's a mugs game. That just leaves having to make use of data that is available.

If you can do better go find the data from a reliable source.
 
ajohn said:
Good luck with looking for information you wont find and taking anecdocal comments on face value from groups that want change. That's a mugs game. That just leaves having to make use of data that is available.

If you can do better go find the data from a reliable source.
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2.1 Currently, the requirement for two doctors to certify that a woman meets the legal grounds for abortion has the potential to delay treatment. It may be difficult for a woman who is concerned about confidentiality to find two doctors to approve her abortion request. There is no central monitoring of delays to treatment of this type, but recently, Tony Calland, the Medical Ethics Committee Chair of the British Medical Association (BMA) said that "some women waited up to 13 weeks [gestation] to have their abortion approved by two doctors and removing this requirement would reduce such a wait and the associated risks". The requirement for two signatures for solely legal purposes also increases treatment costs by introducing unnecessary bureaucracy.

Dr Tony Calland (MBE). Anecdotal my arse. (y)
 
noseall said:
"some women waited up to 13 weeks [gestation] to have their abortion approved by two doctors and removing this requirement would reduce such a wait and the associated risks"
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How many women and how many days did they take to apply for an abortion. As the drugs are POMs they will need one doctor to sign something anyway and also update records.
 
noseall said:
2.1 Currently, the requirement for two doctors to certify that a woman meets the legal grounds for abortion has the potential to delay treatment. It may be difficult for a woman who is concerned about confidentiality to find two doctors to approve her abortion request. There is no central monitoring of delays to treatment of this type, but recently, Tony Calland, the Medical Ethics Committee Chair of the British Medical Association (BMA) said that "some women waited up to 13 weeks [gestation] to have their abortion approved by two doctors and removing this requirement would reduce such a wait and the associated risks". The requirement for two signatures for solely legal purposes also increases treatment costs by introducing unnecessary bureaucracy.

Dr Tony Calland (MBE). Anecdotal my arse. (y)
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It may be difficult for a woman who is concerned about confidentiality to find two doctors to approve her abortion request. There is no central monitoring of delays to treatment of this type, but

Personally I don't see the need for 2 doctors. But why would a woman needs to search around for 2 when the services are set up to need them? Clinics can obviously look after that. Via GP would mean a referral to the NHS. GP's of course always blab about to other people about the medical history of their patients.
From January to June 2022, medical abortions accounted for 86% of abortions. This compares with 87% of abortions over the same period in 2021, and 87% of abortions over the full 2021 calendar year. The majority (97%) of medical abortions in the first 6 months of 2022 were performed at under 10 weeks, similar to the proportion in the first 6 months of 2021 (97%).

There are options on medical abortions. Both pills at home. 1st pill clinic / nhs 2nd at home, Both pills clinic or nhs. This may be because time to an early abortion is often given to 12 weeks, The missing 3% are over and above 10 weeks.
www.gov.uk

Abortion statistics for England and Wales: January to June 2022

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

Could this be why the BMA mentions 13 weeks. Could it be that a service that is set up can't find a 2nd doctor in 2 weeks and that this also prevented it being done in 10 weeks? Sorry I don't buy it. There will be other reasons.
 
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