Wales becomes Trumpton

I did say pertinent. And you deflect with that link as per.
 
I was driving across south London the other day and there is a new 20mph limit on a stretch of main A road running several miles. All the side residential roads have 30s on.

It’s friggin nonsense.
 
Wales is a third world economy run by socialists who depend on hand outs from England and revenue from speeding fines. Anybody who knows Wales and drives through it will know how they have taken speeding enforcement to an extreme level. This is why the speed limit has dropped to a ridiculous 20mph. It isn't justified on safety grounds, especially not when cars have never been safer.

20mph makes sense on residential streets and estates. I always drive cautiously around those for obvious reasons and hate people who drive fast through them. But on main roads, it is simply absurd to impose a 20mph limit. It is the behaviour of people who are either anti-modernity and want to damage the economic development of their region, or are so desperate for revenue that they will deploy the most dishonest and grifting means. Bear in mind the stress and sheer hassle of the whole process for ordinary people and businesses.

Plus the added ingredient of extremist safetyism that eminates from an effeminate mind like Mark Drakeford's.
 
fillyboy said:
www.bbc.co.uk

20mph Wales: Some roads to revert to 30mph after backlash

Transport Secretary Ken Skates says speed limit policy must be "corrected" after a public backlash.
www.bbc.co.uk
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On the other hand...

The 20mph speed limit has many critics across Wales, but some people in two villages have said they would welcome it near their homes. A number of residents in Eglwys Fach and Furnace in Ceredigion said they did not feel safe walking in the villages, which have a 40mph speed limit on a section of a main road without a pavement.

BBCnews.co.uk

The road running through our village is often used as a racetrack by bikers racing off t'wards Matlock and we can't get another crossing because the council says it'd disrupt the flow of traffic. Young 'uns can nip across but for folk with creaky knees it can be challenging. All this to-and-fro between 20-30 mph. Can we settle on 25mph as a safe limit?
 
If you have an ounce of savvy about you, you can have a very good sense of what limits would make sense in different areas/streets, especially when this relates to your local area.

I support 20 zones in truly built-up areas e.g. housing estates, industrial estates, zones outside schools etc. However I'm sure most of us have some 20 zones in our locale that just make you think 'eh?!?' and the end result is many (most?) drivers end up not adhering to it. We also have roads that were 60 but were reduced to 40 and again make you think 'eh?!?' where 50 would have been a more logical compromise.
 
Odds said:
On the other hand...

The 20mph speed limit has many critics across Wales, but some people in two villages have said they would welcome it near their homes. A number of residents in Eglwys Fach and Furnace in Ceredigion said they did not feel safe walking in the villages, which have a 40mph speed limit on a section of a main road without a pavement.

BBCnews.co.uk

The road running through our village is often used as a racetrack by bikers racing off t'wards Matlock and we can't get another crossing because the council says it'd disrupt the flow of traffic. Young 'uns can nip across but for folk with creaky knees it can be challenging. All this to-and-fro between 20-30 mph. Can we settle on 25mph as a safe limit?
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The problem likely isn't the posted speed limit, but the idiots who ride and drive like bats out of hell, regardless of what any sense or sign says.
 
Brigadier said:
And the lack of pavement.

My point still stands though; a number on a stick doth not a safe road make.
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Yep, as with many things in life, it can quite easily be argued it's the idiot minority that end up making things more arduous for the majority.

I would however say, if folk actually adhered to the numbers on sticks, most roads would by default be safer. Now I know some on here disagree with that as has been discussed on other threads, however you won't change my mind on my assertion. For example, take 20 zones. If 100% of drivers actually stuck to 20 maintaining a reasonable distance between vehicles, no one can tell me that road wouldn't be safer. Same with 30, 40 etc. I'm not referring to whether or not we agree with such limits, I'm simply referring to the logic behind it. Slower vehicles, less risk.
 
better if they did 10mph.. or maybe 5mph?

The important factor is that the driver has the skill to assess the safe speed according to the distance he can see is clear.

Artificially low speed limits, encourage drivers to switch off their brain.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
take 20 zones. If 100% of drivers actually stuck to 20 maintaining a reasonable distance between vehicles, no one can tell me that road wouldn't be safer.
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If 100% of drivers did as you are hypothesising, there would be no point in painting a number on a stick.
 
Brigadier said:
If 100% of drivers did as you are hypothesising, there would be no point in painting a number on a stick.
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100% wrong within the context of my post. My point is, on seeing the numbers on the sticks, if drivers all adhered to it, problem solved. However they don't, hence tension between drivers, road rage etc.

If there were no numbers with sticks, it would soon become even more manic than it sometimes already is.

I'm not getting into the debate about safe driving speeds, self-judging how fast one can go etc, been there done that on here and some of us disagree, which is fine. However I can't be ar5ed going over old ground.
 
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