Wales becomes Trumpton

motorbiking said:
selective quoting - but you need to read the whole thing and try to understand it.

You understand that a 20 Zone is not what Wales implemented. But you know this.

So...
RoSPA say - 20 zones are better - not what welsh government did
RoSPA say - they must be targeted - not what welsh government did
RoSPA say - they don't support them on every road - not what welsh government did

and of course its irrelevant since. 100s of roads will be converted back as part of the U-turn.

Good use of funds.. not

At least it saved some lives.. oh wait it didn't. Wales performs worse than the rest of the UK.

Good Job - or not.
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I thought you said the figures were too soon to be of any use.

Made your mind up regardless of information.

No surprise
 
motorbiking said:
Are you aware that the average impact speed on 70mph roads is 20mph?
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Irrelevant. It's the impacts that occur at speed that kill and maim.
Daft anecdote. Might as well say very few deaths occur whilst in slow moving traffic.
It reinforces the need for low speed zones, regardless.
 
denso13 said:
You mean more damage is done at slower speeds?
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No damage is done if you don't hit the person or if you stop in time.

It's why 90% of pedestrians hit in 40mph limits do not die. in fact it's nowhere near. Not 10% nor 5%

Do you see how dangerous it is to implement the wrong strategy and convince people their safety will improve because the speed limit has been lowered. Maybe you don't care.
 
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motorbiking said:
www.gov.uk

Reported road casualties Great Britain, annual report: 2022

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But you can pick any year. 1.94% avg over the last 20 years for pedestrians (all roads).
www.gov.uk

Reported road casualties in Great Britain: pedestrian factsheet, 2022

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That's taking the total number of pedestrian fatalities and dividing by total casualties. You're assuming that all casualties are being caused by being hit by cars. That's not a safe assumption.

Being doored by someone, burns, scooters, bikes, horses, mobility scooters...

Heck a pedestrian going into shock after witnessing an accident would be a casualty according to the guidance document. They shouldn't be included in your calculations.
 
What percentage of casualties reported to the police do you think might fit that category?
Then consider what percentage of very minor pedestrian accidents never get reported to police?

Being Doored by someone?
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I don't think this would be considered a road accident.
 
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motorbiking said:
What percentage of casualties reported to the police do you think might fit that category?
Then consider what percentage of very minor pedestrian accidents never get reported to police?

Being Doored by someone?
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I don't think this would be considered a road accident.
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If the police are called to an incident and anyone has any injury it counts. Read the guidelines.
 
@IT Minion I'm familiar with Stat19 reporting..

Remind me, what obligations exist for non-mechanically propelled vehicle operators to stop and report an accident involving an injury. Is it:

A - the same as for a car/lorry/motorbike - sec 170 Road Traffic Act?
B - none whatsoever?

Even if you take out the handful of injuries causes by horses, cyclists etc ~500 a year or less you will still see the answer is around 2%. If you then remove those that occurred on the pavement its very low.
 
motorbiking said:
No damage is done if you don't hit the person or if you stop in time.
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And again you swerve to something else.

Lower speeds cause less damage, that is just a fact. It's science.

If enforcement of 20mph limits is poor then people will go faster. They might also go faster on other roads to make up time on longer routes so accidents go up. That isn't the problem of 20mph limits per say. That is people being stupid.

You could also argue that some roads should have been kept at 30 as 20 is too slow. It doesn't negate the fact that 20 is safer than 30 in an accident.

That's why I asked what the actual speeds were in the police figures. And you don't know.
 
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