Washing machine in bathroom - outside zone 2

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What do the most recent regs say about washing machines in bathrooms?

My (2.5m x 2.1m) ground floor bathroom and 1st floor kitchen need rearranging: obviously, the washing machine really needs to be in the bathroom (below the kitchen).

The 2 main trips on the CU are RCD protected.

Thank you,

Dain
 
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Ok outside zones. Obviously, you can’t have a socket, so you’ll need to hardwire it to an outlet plate, or an FCU, this also must be outside the zones.
Note: appliance must be suitable for the environment.

Thank you.
No sure that a FCU is different to this CU I had installed? (upstairs in the old airing cupboard). Is this CU sufficient that I don't need also need a fused outlet plate, altho I may still need an outlet plate?

There's a dbl socket on the other side of the wall from the intended site, the live is 1.7mm dia. I might use that supply, although it is quite low down, olde style. I could even put an isolator on it. Washing machine to sit where the sink currently is.
 

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Do I need a fused outlet plate if I have a CU?

Yes. You won’t be using the fused plug that comes with the washing machine. So a 13A fuse is needed somewhere.

Best option would be to put a fused connection unit (aka “fused spur”) next to the socket. Your washing machine can connect into that, through the wall, perhaps.
 
Maybe make sure the cable has to go up to reach the back of the fused spur. Just to make sure.

Then I could replace the ceiling, because 30yrs of having a washing machine in the room above has completely shafted it..
 
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Do I need a fused outlet plate if I have a CU?

Yes. You won’t be using the fused plug that comes with the washing machine. So a 13A fuse is needed somewhere.

Best option would be to put a fused connection unit (aka “fused spur”) next to the socket. Your washing machine can connect into that, through the wall, perhaps.

Like this.
 
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There is a hole sloping up to the rear of the new spur,.

Also, I'd like an electric heated towel rail on the yellow wall, above where the sink was previously (washing machine going in the corner). And a light over a mirror on the red brick infill wall (lighting cable with Wagos).

Any thoughts?

Thanks

Dain
 

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The bathroom has been replaced with a room containing a bath or shower, this is to allow for when a shower is fitted in a bedroom, the sink does not matter, it is distance from bath or shower, which needs to be over 3 meters, which in real terms replaced the rules for fitting a shower in a bedroom as 3 meter plus long bathrooms are not very common.

Problem is moving a bathroom is notifiable work, so you need to satisfy the LABC inspector. And this is the problem, it may seem to tick all the safety boxes, but it depends what he will allow.

I had a problem with late parents house. We had a builder in to do the work, and assumed the builder was doing everything by the book, he walked off the job, so son and I took over, so step one was tell the LABC we were taking over the job. Seems the builder had not told them, had I known I would have likely also not told them, mainly as I didn't know planning permission was required to move a bathroom or kitchen. And the inspector arrived with his wagging finger why had we started without getting permission.

He insisted on an extractor fan even with opening windows, and this is your problem, if he says no, it is no.

So it seems you need to submit detailed plans, it helps you, if detailed and it shows extractors, washing machine, FCU etc. Then they can say no before you start, to fit the ceiling then find I needed a duct and extractor was not funny. So you have paid £100 plus vat for the planning permission so get the inspector to tell you what is permitted.

Also there is the Part P thing, both bathroom and kitchen are special locations, I note Monmouthshire is in Wales. So again down to what the LABC inspector will allow you to do? I had a problem getting the inspector to allow me to do my own inspection and testing, we had the meters on view when he arrived, so clear we could test and inspect, and both my son and I had our city & guilds 2391 which is the exam to show you know how to inspect and test, only when my son said anyone inspecting our work would need to be higher qualified than ourselves and my dad has a degree, did the LABC inspector say we could do our own inspecting and testing.

And after all that, the LABC inspector missed that the lintel over the door was only supported on one side.

After all the problems with wet room, when it came to a full re-wire I employed a scheme member electrician to rewire the house, so LABC not involved.

You must remember our English cousins put in a load of rules, then gave Wales its own control, then removed the rules for England, but not for Wales, so our English cousins are often unaware of the Welsh rules even when they made them to start with. I find it a problem with tradesmen from England, they often don't realise either they are working in Wales or the rules are not the same.

Cymru am Byth

As an after thought, is BS 7671 valid in Wales? All rules and regulations in Wales need to be published in English and Welsh, I don't think BS 7671 is published in Welsh, so likely not valid, also of course any rule which refers to BS 7671?
 
As an after thought, is BS 7671 valid in Wales? All rules and regulations in Wales need to be published in English and Welsh, I don't think BS 7671 is published in Welsh, so likely not valid, also of course any rule which refers to BS 7671?
I know you often say that, but I'm not at all sure that it's true. Even the Welsh language version of guidance to the electrical Building Regulations on the Welsh Government website say that work "should follow the safety standards of" BS7671, and the link they provide takes on to the normal (English language) BSI website, where the only version of BS7671 on offer is in English.

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Kind Regards, John
 
eric, who lives in Wales, is always suggesting that "England and Wales" legislation, and UK Regulations (such as the Wiring Regulations, BS7671) are only 'valid' in Wales if they have been published in a Welsh-language form. I was therefore pointing out that even the Welsh-language version of the Welsh Government website says (in Welsh) that electric work in Wales must comply with BS7671, providing a link to the English-language version of BS7671.

Kind Regards, John
 
If the washing machine is in a cupboard (that is lockable) I was under the impression that it was ok for it to use a standard plug (in the cupboard). Am I wrong? I often am.
 
If the washing machine is in a cupboard (that is lockable) I was under the impression that it was ok for it to use a standard plug (in the cupboard). Am I wrong? I often am.
You're probably right, but there could be debate about this.

The regulations forbid sockets 'in a bathroom' within 3m of a bath/shower, presumably to reduce the risk of people using portable electrical devices (e.g. hair dryers) when in the bath or shower. The question is therefore whether being in a cupboard (whether lockable or not) counts as being 'in a bathroom' - not forgetting that people might construct 'mini cupboards' as a means of trying to evade that restriction.

Common sense says that if it is clearly a dedicated socket for the WM (and particularly if that socket were relatively inaccessible - e.g. hidden behind the WM), then it really is no problem (and I would personally be happy to do that) - but I suppose there is no guarantee that an 'inspector' would agree. As has been said, the 'safest' approach would be to cut off the plug and hard-wire the WM to a FCU, so that there are no plugs/sockets in the equation.

Kind Regards, John
 
That's why the WM fused spur is outside the bathroom. With the cable access hole sloping at 20° upwards out of the bathroom.
 

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