Wind Turbines
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Makes me chuckle when politicians are careful not to use words like 'will' when it comes to our bills if we move to more renewable energy. They tend to use get out clause words like 'might / should / could' e.g. 'moving to a renewable energy base could mean lower energy bills for consumers ...'
Aye right. Governments need to fill the coffers ever higher. As if some sort of low cost energy utopia will ever be reached whether we use more renewables or not. We'll still be shafted one way or the other ...
Aye right. Governments need to fill the coffers ever higher. As if some sort of low cost energy utopia will ever be reached whether we use more renewables or not. We'll still be shafted one way or the other ...
There has been mention of increased cost for big land based. To get an idea of "force" involved work out the HP and account for efficiency as well. The more power the stronger the foundations needed. The pole they sit on applies leverage to those. How significant pass as the article just pointed it out implying cost. Subsoil etc will obviously matter.
The other claim is a life, 20years. That can probably be extended cost wise by complete refurbishment. This is not popping up a tower and doing a bit of work such as a bearing oil change. maybe filters too. Depends on how they do it. I don't know. We tend to have a throw away attitude but Lucas used to make a packet via their B90 stuff. That has included remachining on some rotating stuff. They electronics needn't be in the head.
Then maintenance costs. I have seen those mentioned - reality or fact - pass.
Pole rot. Not sure how the Forth Bridge is getting on. Depends on advances in protection.
Total manufacturing costs. Not good as some would see it. China will probably win. Not sure where Labour intends to point it's £6b but in some ways making here makes sense even if cheaper is available elsewhere as nuke stations probably have. I've not seen lists of what comes from where though. I do know that trying to totally source the Dome via the UK didn't work out.
The other claim is a life, 20years. That can probably be extended cost wise by complete refurbishment. This is not popping up a tower and doing a bit of work such as a bearing oil change. maybe filters too. Depends on how they do it. I don't know. We tend to have a throw away attitude but Lucas used to make a packet via their B90 stuff. That has included remachining on some rotating stuff. They electronics needn't be in the head.
Then maintenance costs. I have seen those mentioned - reality or fact - pass.
Pole rot. Not sure how the Forth Bridge is getting on. Depends on advances in protection.
Total manufacturing costs. Not good as some would see it. China will probably win. Not sure where Labour intends to point it's £6b but in some ways making here makes sense even if cheaper is available elsewhere as nuke stations probably have. I've not seen lists of what comes from where though. I do know that trying to totally source the Dome via the UK didn't work out.
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Irrelevant whether it's been built, the strike prices are quoted. The mechanism for payments isn't new. Same question applies to H2.
I've seen hand-wavey stuff about how the payments work, but they don't say enough about who pays what, to whom, and when.
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Not much wind power generation happening at the moment, it's mostly gas and other fossil fuels powering the country. We'll still be paying all those wealthy landowners for their windmills though!
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At weekend the National Grid asked Drax to bring their coal power stations out of mothballs for the cold snap.
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No they didn't. They gave them stand by notices which have already been cancelled. You seem to have real problems telling the truth...
Misguided attitude.
Nuclear is a baseload supply, wind and solar are not, and so are not comparable. You will note that wind frequently dipped well down during high demand. Solar at this time of year is also erm problematic.
We will always need a baseload supply, and renewables are not suited to this. On the 11/12/22, wind was down to about 0.56GW while demand was over 40GW. Solar was about zero. Nuclear just supplied the same output as before.
We do not want to rely on fossil fuels, so a baseload supply looks like been nuclear. It is also the safest. There really is no argument against this that stands up.
Your post simply shows we need to build more new nuclear power plants.
The idea that renewables are cheap hides the the fact that to have a deeper penetration to grid contribution, we will have to have much more storage - which greatly increases costs, but is not accounted for when cleaiming wind is cheap. And/or we greatly increase interconnectors to France/Norway. Where we will be forced to sell excess wind energy are greatly reduced prices when it really blows. And import are higher prices when demand is high and renewables are not producing. We've seen this in Denmark, where they have had decades of teh most expensive eletricity in Europe.
This cold snap is a good illustration how we need nuclar energy. Its not the first time where this has occurred, and won't be the last.
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The substantial contribution from wind and solar saves us having to import vast amounts of gas.
The only people this disappoints are Putin and Salman
We will be ABLE to sell excess energy that we don't need.
Thus making a profit.
And you don't like that
What sort of nuclear baseload do you think we would need? Presumably more than the historic peak of 25% or the current 16%?
We do need dispatchable power to cover gaps in wind. Right now that is gas and in dire cases potentially coal. Managing the decline of Gas so we still have backup capacity of some form is going to be interesting.
Interestingly increased nuclear power would also require additional battery or pumped hydro to make use of the otherwise wasted power overnight.
We do need dispatchable power to cover gaps in wind. Right now that is gas and in dire cases potentially coal. Managing the decline of Gas so we still have backup capacity of some form is going to be interesting.
Interestingly increased nuclear power would also require additional battery or pumped hydro to make use of the otherwise wasted power overnight.
It's a pity the gover ment is in thrall to Nimbys who not only prevent the housing shortage being addressed, and wind turbines on land , but also prevent tidal power schemes.
We are a nation surrounded by sea.