And yet you compared wind to nuclear.
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Selling cheap as we have too much and buying at a high price as demand is high. That is not a profit.
Depends on what you want, and how connected we will be. France for example have historically had about 70% (from memory).
Coal is not good for balancing the rid, as its more a baseload supply. Nuclear generally replaces coal.
Increased nuclear penetration would not require storage, as its generally designed for baseload supply. See France.
You can build them to respond to variations, but its more expensive. Other technologies are available.
Already addressed.
it is true that today wind is generating more than nukes. This is not at all unusual.
Having insufficient and paying for additional expensive gas is worse.
Having excess electricity and being able to sell it is better than not.
Your arguments are very poor.
Tell that to Denmark
Yep,
We built Dinorwig to time shift power from.night to day. We'll be building more for Nuclear or Renewables.
Coal is good for when there's a prolonged shortage of wind. Then you spin up some big, slow, gas or coal plants and run them for a week to fill the gap.
But to go to France as an example, they're planning to drop to a maximum of 50% nuclear by 2035.
France exports a huge amount of power in a way you weren't a fan of for wind.
We built Dinorwig to time shift power from.night to day. We'll be building more for Nuclear or Renewables.
Coal is good for when there's a prolonged shortage of wind. Then you spin up some big, slow, gas or coal plants and run them for a week to fill the gap.
But to go to France as an example, they're planning to drop to a maximum of 50% nuclear by 2035.
Not as many see it because they can't get their head around it. A lot of that is down to political types saying my way is the best ect when in practice some sort of balance is always needed. Nuke progress slipped a long time ago now when Toshiba dropped out. PM's before Blare were trying to get them built. It seems even Thatcher had a change of mind. Early on she was encouraged to build one to maintain our domestic capabilities as the work force concerned was ageing. She said no.
A case in question. Germany is criticised for causing it's own problems by staying away from nuke stations. Reason simple - their Greens and public opinion. They are stuck on gas. This hasn't resulted in further greening. So much for their greens.
People's opinions are swung by political types spouting things that do not fully cover costs or practicalities. Those are ignored. When in power and having to do the things they say they will do they have to be practical and consider all factors. They also have to gain public approval to get in power. The lot that have been in power are far more likely to get it right and the same thoughts are likely to remain when the main parties are in power.
Electricity. It's abundantly clear that we can not all fit heat pumps that provide current heating powers as the grid wont take it. I have extra unused phases due to how B'ham wired a long time ago. Problem the main run down the street assumed only one per house would be used. Probably some spare but not for all houses to do the same and then comes are we generating enough power anyway.
There is another sum that could be done. More interesting really. Work out how many kw hrs are transmitted to roads via tyres. Can we match that with electricity.
A practical electric car. What battery weight. Tesla range from 0.5 to 0,.8 tonnes. Combustion engines, work it out for yourselves
Petroleum: 1 litre = 0.79 kilogram; - Gas, diesel, light fuel oil: 1 litre = 0.84 kilogram; - Heavy fuel oil: 1 litre = 0,96 kilogram; - Lubricants: 1 litre = 0.88 kilogram.
A blanket 30mph speed limit would increase range as would only use at urban speeds.
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Show me the latest prices.
We all know that windfarm prices have plummeted. And nuke costs have rocketed.
Hinkley:
Initial Strike Price 89.50£/MWh
Change to Strike Price (where applicable) 16.62£/MWh
Current strike price 106.12£/MWh
Offshore:
The offshore projects landed CfDs at a strike price of £37.35 per megawatt-hour, down from the lowest rate in the 2019 round of £39.65/MWh.7 Jul 2022
Which is lower?
www.carbonbrief.org
"Analysis: Record-low price for UK offshore wind is nine times cheaper than gas"
www.theguardian.com
"Price of offshore wind power falls to cheapest ever level in UK
Contract price is nearly 6% lower than previous auction in 2019, which could ease pressure on energy bills"
And without anti-windfarm NIMBYs we could have even cheaper on land.
We all know that windfarm prices have plummeted. And nuke costs have rocketed.
Hinkley:
Initial Strike Price 89.50£/MWh
Change to Strike Price (where applicable) 16.62£/MWh
Current strike price 106.12£/MWh
Offshore:
The offshore projects landed CfDs at a strike price of £37.35 per megawatt-hour, down from the lowest rate in the 2019 round of £39.65/MWh.7 Jul 2022
Which is lower?
Analysis: Record-low price for UK offshore wind is nine times cheaper than gas - Carbon Brief
This is the UK’s fourth biannual “contracts for difference” (CfD) auction round (AR4). As well as seeing record-low prices, with 11GW of capacity secured, it is also by far the largest.
www.carbonbrief.org
Price of offshore wind power falls to cheapest ever level in UK
Contract price is nearly 6% lower than previous auction in 2019, which could ease pressure on energy bills
www.theguardian.com
Contract price is nearly 6% lower than previous auction in 2019, which could ease pressure on energy bills"
And without anti-windfarm NIMBYs we could have even cheaper on land.
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What's the last rise?
"In January 2021, EDF said the start of electricity generation from unit 1 had been rescheduled to June 2026, compared with end-2025 as initially announced in 2016. Delays arising from the COVID-19 pandemic would also increase the cost of the project by GBP500 million (USD624 million) to between GBP22 and 23 billion.
20 May 2022"
"Building Britain’s first new nuclear reactor since 1995 will cost twice as much as the 2012 Olympics – and by the time it is finished, nuclear power could be a thing of the past. How could the government strike such a bad deal?
Hinkley Point, on the Somerset coast, is the biggest building site in Europe. Here, on 430 acres of muddy fields scattered with towering cranes and bright yellow diggers, the first new nuclear power station in the UK since 1995 is slowly taking shape. When it is finally completed, Hinkley Point C will be the most expensive power station in the world."
"In January 2021, EDF said the start of electricity generation from unit 1 had been rescheduled to June 2026, compared with end-2025 as initially announced in 2016. Delays arising from the COVID-19 pandemic would also increase the cost of the project by GBP500 million (USD624 million) to between GBP22 and 23 billion.
20 May 2022"
"Building Britain’s first new nuclear reactor since 1995 will cost twice as much as the 2012 Olympics – and by the time it is finished, nuclear power could be a thing of the past. How could the government strike such a bad deal?
Hinkley Point, on the Somerset coast, is the biggest building site in Europe. Here, on 430 acres of muddy fields scattered with towering cranes and bright yellow diggers, the first new nuclear power station in the UK since 1995 is slowly taking shape. When it is finally completed, Hinkley Point C will be the most expensive power station in the world."
Thanks for showing what a tremendously fantastic good deal tidal can be.
It must be great for any nation lucky enough to be surrounded by sea.
Just a minute!
That's us!