Best vintage turntable

For me (and to my partner's bemusement who shares your view) music is an experience. I will dedicate 2 or 3 hours when I have time at the weekend to sit and listen to music. It ranges from Northern Soul to '70s rock, '80s synth-pop to the works of Thomas Tallis. I love music.

I'm bothered about quality, but not to the point where I'll spend 30 minutes fiddling with the EQ or upgrading my phono leads to gold-plated ones!
My dad years ago bought a Ferguson audio unit, radio, spool to spool stereo tape recorder, massive speakers etc. I was claimed to be top of range. I recorded myself playing the organ and on play back it did not sound anything like what I thought it should sound like. Then I realised I could play it back through the organs own speakers. It was a different world, it actually sounded like I thought it should sound, so I tried playing the record I had of Liverpool Cathedral, and again different world. Was mono but still far better.

Since that time I have realised you can have a really cheap turntable, what matters is the speakers, those in the organ were clearly very good, and clearly price has very little to do with quality. The Ferguson speakers were not cheap, they were the best Ferguson made at the time.

Today we have a further problem, most of the music is digital, and clearly a computer CD player is perfect in it does not loose a single bit of information, however to turn it into analogue, then likely we will lose something, however then we add the compression, if we have a record at the volume of original then we will loose some bits, same with CD or any other storage, so the amplifier needs a system to return the volume of low and high frequencies to the original levels, we don't want a linear amplifier, we want one which matches the recording medium, and CD, tape, and records are all different.

So we want an automatic graphic equaliser which auto sets it's self according to source. The whole idea of manually setting only works if you know what the music should sound like, as I did with my organ. Now if we look at Liverpool Cathedral that organ is big enough to get lost inside it. So where your standing in the Cathedral will change what it sounds like, to record they clearly must mix the sounds, so from the record it will never sound like the Cathedral, and most music is the same, no one including the artists involved knows exactly what it should sound like.

So we will always have some change in the music, it may make it better it may make it worse, I have Elton John Yellow brick road on cassette and CD, we could never get tape to sound like CD because the volume varied so much, and to be frank in order to hear anything at start even in a detached house we would annoy neighbours if we didn't turn it down so maybe better on tape where this was done for us?

Yes I have three record players, but in the main I use hard drives for my music, it may have been tape, record or CD, but still it has all been digitised and is now on a hard drive, yes I keep the records, CD however not tape it degrades in time. But only for back up, I use hard drive for day to day use.
 
CWHALEY,
As you want Record player that you can put away I would suggest a Beocenter as being good and slim and includes amp:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Beocenter&_sacat=0

Otherwise there is a nice listing here of 8 best portable record players (but I feel most not suitable for the quality you need).
https://thevinylfactory.com/features/portable-record-players/

Or my favorite solution is to get a good turntable with built in Pre-amp and a pair of good Powered Speakers, as detailed here:
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/best-turntables
and
https://www.google.com/search?q=tuentable+with+buidt+in+preamp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab
and here
https://www.turntablelab.com/pages/beginners-guide-to-turntables section 2.1

SFK
 
Thanks for sharing that. It's interesting how people spend thousands on top of the range equipment to be let down with poor speakers. In simple terms I suppose all the turntable does is translate the physical etchins within the vinyl (or shellac) into information -- its the speakers that physically produce the sound. That's why so much of Bach's music was composed of short, sharp notes that had to be played that way to compensate for the poor acoustics and sound re-production of the 17th and 18th Centuries.

The thing is with a lot of my vinyl is not all of it is on CD. My dad bought imported soul records from America in the '60s and it never officially made it to another format. I'm not a fan of converting the formats anyway as (as you say) so much can be lost through the recording process.

My old best mate was an avid organ player and he's played at Liverpool several times too. I was thoroughly blown away at the age of 15 to hear the incredible wall of sounds those machines can produce. He was very talented and remember being encapsulated in hearing Bach's fuge in G minor...
 
CWHALEY,
As you want Record player that you can put away I would suggest a Beocenter as being good and slim and includes amp:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Beocenter&_sacat=0

Otherwise there is a nice listing here of 8 best portable record players (but I feel most not suitable for the quality you need).
https://thevinylfactory.com/features/portable-record-players/

Or my favorite solution is to get a good turntable with built in Pre-amp and a pair of good Powered Speakers, as detailed here:
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/best-turntables
and
https://www.google.com/search?q=tuentable+with+buidt+in+preamp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab
and here
https://www.turntablelab.com/pages/beginners-guide-to-turntables section 2.1

SFK


Thank you I will take a look at these later. I had considered a turntable with pre-amp built in but couldn't find one at a decent price with good reviews. Unfortunately though if I add speakers and back to the problem of having more and more kit to get out.
 
Thank you I will take a look at these later. I had considered a turntable with pre-amp built in but couldn't find one at a decent price with good reviews.
There are a few (depending on your definition of a decent price), just remember that it can be called pre-amp, phono stage or at least two other names that unfortunately don't immediately spring to mind... "stage" seems the in term at the moment.
 
You've got me thinking about them now... I have a Marantz turntable which is quite slim. If I attached a pre-amp (or phono stage!) to it I could then run an output to the TV soundbar. I know it's not the conventional way but I'm pleased with the sound quality my soundbar produces -- good enough for Sunday listening anyway.

Might have to start a project to make a housing unit for the turntable and preamp below.
 
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It's interesting how people spend thousands on top of the range equipment to be let down with poor speakers. In simple terms I suppose all the turntable does is translate the physical etchins within the vinyl (or shellac) into information -- its the speakers that physically produce the sound.

If you are serious about SQ. You need to set your largest budget on the source equipment - "**** in **** out" is the equation. You can't polish a turd. There is no way on earth that a graphic equaliser can improve the original signal.
And don't play it through a sound bar FGS.
 
If you are serious about SQ. You need to set your largest budget on the source equipment - "**** in **** out" is the equation. You can't polish a turd. There is no way on earth that a graphic equaliser can improve the original signal.
And don't play it through a sound bar FGS.

As I said earlier in the forum, it's just for Sunday listening -- I'm not going to pick apart the sound output and I've specifically said I want to put away the current Technics set up I have as it's too large. I'm looking for a vintage record player.

EQs don't "improve" original sound no, but then again define "improve". What they do is alter the sound to make it more 'tuned' to our own individual preferences. Some of the stuff I have was recorded onto vinyl with very high levels of bass so the EQ is great at reducing those levels. I also like to highlight the strings in some stuff which the EQ again helps me with.

Sound bars. Do you know which one I have... FGS? They get a kicking but there are some excellent units out there which produce an output I would confidently describe as very good. Given my requirements the Bose SoundTouch I have is more than ample for my needs.

Thanks for the input but this is by no means a discussion on the best possible set up for listening to music!
 
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