Billionaire, morally defensible?

[Notch7]

Of course I agree with your figures, just saying that in terms of the scale of benefit paid, they don't show the full picture. Three million less people claiming out of work benefits might suggest the benefits bill is accordingly lower, I don't believe it is.

Maybe if ordinary folk were paid enough they wouldn’t need benefits

Maybe is if Thatcher hadnt flogged council houses and stopped new one being built houses would be affordable.

Maybe if the billions spaffed up the wall on bogus PPE contracts had gone to pay for lowering NHS waiting lists less people would be off sick

Maybe it’s time we got rid of this sh1t govt and started reversing sh1t Brexit.

 

[fillyboy]

Maybe if ordinary folk were paid enough they wouldn’t need benefits

Maybe is if Thatcher hadnt flogged council houses and stopped new one being built houses would be affordable.

Maybe if the billions spaffed up the wall on bogus PPE contracts had gone to pay for lowering NHS waiting lists less people would be off sick

Maybe it’s time we got rid of this sh1t govt and started reversing sh1t Brexit.

Tories won't be around much longer, the sunlit uplands are just around the corner.

 

[Mottie]

Mottie, Ukrainians have nothing to do with poverty in the U.K.

The high level of poverty in this country is due to 40 years of neo liberal policies transferring money from poor to rich.

And the solution must be government led.


I am sorry you keep being wrong, how embarrassing for you

Here is some evidence for you, so you can stop being wrong:

Britain’s rich are living in a golden era. Labour should not be scared to end it | Andy Beckett

The wealthy elite’s dominance of our impoverished society is often seen as inevitable, even natural – but their spell can be broken, says Guardian columnist Andy Beckett

www.theguardian.com

Britain and the US are poor societies with some very rich people

When it comes to average household incomes, the UK may soon need to ask migrant labourers to take a pay cut

www.ft.com

How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Western Europe

Britain chose finance over industry, austerity over investment, and a closed economy over openness to the world.

www.theatlantic.com

The Living Standards Audit 2022 • Resolution Foundation

www.resolutionfoundation.org

The Scale of Economic Inequality in the UK - Equality Trust

The UK has very high inequality of income compared to other developed countries. The UK's wealth inequality is much more severe than income inequality.

equalitytrust.org.uk

If only you'd put as much effort into actually helping people instead of swerving the issue, blaming others and digging up quotes, you’d come across as a decent bloke.

 

[JonathanM]

Of course I agree with your figures, just saying that in terms of the scale of benefit paid, they don't show the full picture. Three million less people claiming out of work benefits might suggest the benefits bill is accordingly lower, I don't believe it is.

Thanks. It's not actually the size of the bill I am interested in for this particular discussion. I'm trying to get a handle on whether there has been an explosion in "worklessness", which I've read about several places recently, and if so which groups of people are not working. It's hard to get the figures, because the benefits regime has changed so much.

 

[Notch7]

Tories won't be around much longer, the sunlit uplands are just around the corner.

I shall be happy if these right wing grifters gaslighting the nation get booted out.

Finally we shall have some adults in charge….instead of tw@ts spaffing £600m on Rwanda scheme and £100b on Brexit

 

[Notch7]

Thanks. It's not actually the size of the bill I am interested in for this particular discussion. I'm trying to get a handle on whether there has been an explosion in "worklessness", which I've read about several places recently, and if so which groups of people are not working. It's hard to get the figures, because the benefits regime has changed so much.

The economically inactive increased significantly during and after covid.

And then there’s the large number off sick due to being on an NHS waiting list

Not sure if the figures can be extracted

 

[noseall]

It's £170M a year, that I came up with in 2 minutes. Right now, I'd rather that money was spent on training and equipping troops, treating people with cancer or simply taking a £10er off council tax.

You mean into the pockets of Mone and her greedy grasping Tory scum mates. Your faux concern fools no one.

 

[berty3000]

So, I was just looking again at the breakdown I posted yesterday of people who are not in the workforce, and cross referencing it with some other figures from the DWP. I realised that the number of people claiming out of work benefits is actually three million fewer than in the 1990s.

Yes, because they've been shunted into different made up categories. Already explained to you, more than once.

 

[JonathanM]

Yes, because they've been shunted into different made up categories. Already explained to you, more than once.

What you posted was utter nonsense. Originally, you claimed 9 million people were not working because of disability or ill health. Later you changed that figure to 16 million. The current figure is actually 2.8 million. It was 2.7 million in 1997, so only a tiny increase. What are these other made up categories you speak of?

This is what you wrote originally:

There are currently 9 million people who are effectively unemployed but who are classified as "disabled" or whatever to make the unemployment stats look better.

 

[motorbiking]

What’s £170m per year

Is that a figure you found in the Daily Mail

It’s your number multiplied by employment cost.

 

[ajohn]

The cost of unemployment benefits can be seen here - since the banking crisis plus a bit of a covid kick up.

UK unemployment benefit spending 2023 | Statista

The expenditure on unemployment benefits in the United Kingdom was one billion British pounds in 2022/23, a decrease when compared with the previous year.

www.statista.com

When there is crisis that causes an increase in unemployment it's always followed by a fall.
The site usually allows visits before having to register.

The other plan, cost £7b is intended to help sick people back to work. Need to read all to get an idea of the yearly impact when and if it works. The heading is a bit sensational

Employment support launched for over a million people

New Back to Work Plan to help up to 1,100,000 people with long-term health conditions, disabilities or long-term unemployment to look for and stay in work.

www.gov.uk

 

[Notch7]

If only you'd put as much effort into actually helping people instead of swerving the issue, blaming others and digging up quotes, you’d come across as a decent bloke.

What issue am I swerving?

We were talking about poverty caused by inequality…..and you started screaming: “over there, look Ukrainian people”

You should take your own advice about swerving

 

[Notch7]

It’s your number multiplied by employment cost.

It's £170M a year, that I came up with in 2 minutes. Right now, I'd rather that money was spent on training and equipping troops, treating people with cancer or simply taking a £10er off council tax.

I’d rather the £600 million spaffed up the wall on the Rwanda plan was spent on something useful

Or the £4b spaffed up the wall on bogus PPE contracts to Tory mates

Or the £100b spaffed up the wall on brexit

Or any other Tory grifting plan to waste our money.

 

[catlad]

I don't know what an Uber driver makes vs a normal non-black cab taxi, but Uber replaces the need for someone to sit in an office take and schedule the bookings and coordinate the drivers. The Uber cream off probably matched the cost/overhead of the office and dispatch controller.

Taxi driver corruption varies hugely across Europe. When I travel to the Nordics, everything is electronic and payment/fares are regulated, Central Europe and you have the usual cash only/meter off boll@x in Spain and France. You even get fare refusals if you aren't going where they want. Uber does give you piece of mind on price etc.

All those organisations like starbucks mc donalds kenkucky and the likes are dropping pods all over the place hoovering up local assets and concentrating them into fewer and fewer hands! money breeds money... Can't really fail once it gets beyond a certain point.

 

[Odds]

Tories won't be around much longer, the sunlit uplands are just around the corner.

Hunting season so soon?