Excess Deaths Debate 16th January 2024

gant said:
How have you arrived at that conclusion?
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ajohn said:
There was some faulty reporting in care homes at time early on. They came from GP's who didn't want to visit. However the terms used for the reasons for the deaths will have reduced the number of covid deaths not increased them
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That’s the wrong way around! Absolute nonsense
 
nwgs said:
Proof ? Or just your opinion
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"Between 2 March and 12 June 2020, 18,562 residents of care homes in England died with COVID-19,including 18,168 people aged 65 and over, representing almost 40% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in England during this period.2 Of these deaths, 13,844 (76%) happened in care homes themselves; nearly all of the remainder occurred in a hospital.3 During the same period, 28,186 “excess deaths” were recorded in care homes in England, representing a 46% increase compared with the same period in previous years. excess deaths likely include undiagnosed COVID-19 deaths, and underscore the broader impact of the pandemic on older people in care homes.5"

www.amnesty.org

United Kingdom: As if expendable: The UK government's failure to protect older people in care homes during the COVID-19 pandemic - Amnesty International

COVID-19 has had a devastating impact on older persons living in care homes in England, with more than 18,500 dying in the first three months. This report examines UK government decisions and failures which resulted in violations of the human rights of people living in care homes. Amnesty...
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org
 
denso13 said:
"Between 2 March and 12 June 2020, 18,562 residents of care homes in England died with COVID-19,including 18,168 people aged 65 and over, representing almost 40% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in England during this period.2 Of these deaths, 13,844 (76%) happened in care homes themselves; nearly all of the remainder occurred in a hospital.3 During the same period, 28,186 “excess deaths” were recorded in care homes in England, representing a 46% increase compared with the same period in previous years. excess deaths likely include undiagnosed COVID-19 deaths, and underscore the broader impact of the pandemic on older people in care homes.5"

www.amnesty.org

United Kingdom: As if expendable: The UK government's failure to protect older people in care homes during the COVID-19 pandemic - Amnesty International

COVID-19 has had a devastating impact on older persons living in care homes in England, with more than 18,500 dying in the first three months. This report examines UK government decisions and failures which resulted in violations of the human rights of people living in care homes. Amnesty...
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org
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At a quick glance you’ve proved my point
 
denso13 said:
"Between 2 March and 12 June 2020, 18,562 residents of care homes in England died with COVID-19,including 18,168 people aged 65 and over, representing almost 40% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in England during this period.2 Of these deaths, 13,844 (76%) happened in care homes themselves; nearly all of the remainder occurred in a hospital.3 During the same period, 28,186 “excess deaths” were recorded in care homes in England, representing a 46% increase compared with the same period in previous years. excess deaths likely include undiagnosed COVID-19 deaths, and underscore the broader impact of the pandemic on older people in care homes.5"

www.amnesty.org

United Kingdom: As if expendable: The UK government's failure to protect older people in care homes during the COVID-19 pandemic - Amnesty International

COVID-19 has had a devastating impact on older persons living in care homes in England, with more than 18,500 dying in the first three months. This report examines UK government decisions and failures which resulted in violations of the human rights of people living in care homes. Amnesty...
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org
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NWGS is not interested in facts
 
ajohn said:
There was some faulty reporting in care homes at time early on. They came from GP's who didn't want to visit. However the terms used for the reasons for the deaths will have reduced the number of covid deaths not increased them
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The above is stating Covid deaths in care homes were under reported.

Looks like @denso13 proved me right. Covid deaths in care homes, if anything was over reported.

Gobshite, please don’t butt in to a conversation.
 
nwgs said:
You’ll have to point out the exact bit that does that?
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Sigh.

There were 13,844 covid deaths recorded in care homes, but there were 28,186 excess deaths recorded in care homes.

"Excess deaths likely include undiagnosed COVID-19 deaths". Undiagnosed meaning they were never diagnosed as covid and were included in the excess deaths but not covid deaths.

If they had been diagnosed as covid deaths then that figure would have been higher. Ergo, the covid death number was underreported.
 
denso13 said:
likely
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So just a guess then ?

No actual proof ?

None of the deaths were due to not having access to a doctor or not being allowed antibiotics?

That’s almost as good as your proof about ancient drilling techniques!! His wife was a cook lol.
 
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