Expanded ULEZ

You can see where I am. Nowhere near a f'king city!

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trazor said:
My Mercedes E400 3.5litre Twin turbo is ULEZ compliant............ :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
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Most petrol cars from 2001 onwards are compliant. My mates 400bhp 2001 V8 Ferrari 360 is ULEZ compliant .
 
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Mottie said:
I think I might have to get rid of our diesel Golf and get a compliant vehicle sooner rather than later. As the date gets nearer, the prices of non-compliant vehicles will fall and the price of compliant vehicles will rise. I can see a point when a 2001 petrol Focus will be worth more than a 2016 diesel Discovery Sport! I'm just glad I got rid of our Evoque last year!

I'm just going to get an old petrol hatchback as it will only be for running the dog about in and for use as a second car - its great when you can just park it anywhere in a car park and not give a **** about anyone hitting the doors with a shopping trolley or catching the bumper when they squeeze in or out of a space.
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If you can afford and run an evoque, the ulez charge is rather minor. You could use that cost in fuel just by sitting in traffic.
I feel more for those who can't afford much choice in their vehicle.
 
Notch7 said:
people dying I think might be the reason
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That's not a new thing.

Also vehicles are far cleaner than before and getting cleaner by the day. Politicians don't have the answers. Brown told us to buy diesels as they are good for the environment. Now politicians are punishing diesel drivers for doing what they were told to do by the politicians.
 
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Ihavenojob said:
The problem is that most people see air quality as the environment, they don't take into account mining of the minerals and other factors in building new "environmentally friendly" cars, which are more than likely as damaging as old existing ice vehicles, if not more.
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If you weren't wrong you'd be making a good point. In CO2 terms there's no contest, EVs are better.

If you try to factor in Oil spills, deforestation for mining, evaporation pool leakage, pipeline leakage then you can get an idea of the impact each has on the environment. It'll take a lot of harm to outweigh Deep water horizon though.

EVs aren't perfect, and on topic they don't completely remove particulate pollution as they still shed tyre rubber just like ICE vehicles. But they're a step in the right direction.
 
When I had it, nowhere near the ULEZ charge. What’s the fuel bill of a commercial non-compliant diesel vehicle - are you saying they will hardly notice it too?
 
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Now's a very good time to upgrade to a slightly newer car that is ULEZ compliant. When I bought one earlier this year there didn't seem to be any premium at all for buying the newer Euro 6 version over the one year older one that was Euro 5 (other than the normal age/mileage difference).

Outside of London and a few other areas, the general car-buying public doesn't seem to have (yet) worked out how much of a big deal this is going to become, very soon. There are lots more ULEZ zones appearing all over the country now.

This situation will probably change within the next couple of years, older cars will devalue and Euro 6 ones will keep more of their value. Once everyone works it out, there'll be a big cost difference in upgrading, but for now there could be little or no cost involved.

There's a sweet-spot for diesels, buy a car first registered between 1st September 2015 (Euro 6 becoming mandatory) and 31st March 2017 (change in VED rules). Then you can have ULEZ compliance AND still pay £20-£30 road tax on lots of decent cars, subject to doing your homework of course. Ours is a 180BHP luxury executive barge, £30/year road tax, ULEZ compliant and was cheap. Officially 60+mpg, 50mpg in the real world.
 
seanmars said:
This situation will probably change within the next couple of years, older cars will devalue and Euro 6 ones will keep more of their value. Once everyone works it out, there'll be a big cost difference in upgrading, but for now there could be little or no cost involved.
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Only thing is it's guaranteed that as soon as the older cars disappear, they will drag the newer, cleaner cars into the net. Or does anyone imagine as soon as older cars disappear from our roads they will dismantle their ULEZ money making equipment?
 
Gradually being 'encouraged' out of our vehicles. Regardless of your views (good or bad idea) it's happening and will only increase. I reckon some of the stuff being implemented in cities will eventually find its way to larger and perhaps smaller towns. Oxford setting up separate zones, encouraging people with cars to remain within their own zone where possible.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk

Traffic filters will divide city into six "15 minute" neighbourhoods

Traffic filters will divide city into six "15 minute" neighbourhoods, said the county's highways councillor.
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I'll be honest, I don't think all the ideas are bad. However I love using my car and the flexibility it affords me. We've talked about it all before in other threads. I'm 50 so maybe have 25-30 years driving ahead of me tops. Hopefully for the vast majority of that time many of these measures won't be implemented in my area. Selfish? Perhaps, however it's the way I feel.
 
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