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Clearly it's not open to discussion so we wont.

In the meantime perhaps you should do some sums and ask National grid

What is the net cost to produce 1 Kw to a property.

What is the gov.con subsidy at the moment.
 
dia I know what the generation costs for each fuel are and the transmission losses over the grid are assumed to be. I also know how much the feed in tariffs are. It's clear you do not.
 
The whole sale price of electricity is around 5p per Unit. If Solar PV generators use half their own generated electricity which they get paid the FIT rate (current 15.44p for below 4kWp) regardless of whether they use it or export it plus they get paid 4.63p export rate for half of what they generate. Then it reasonable to say that they are paid (15.44 x 2)+4.63= 35.51p per Unit they export. Which is just over 7 times the 5p per unit, so 7 times not 10 times which is a large exaggeration.

Of course the fact is that although the wholesale electricity price is 5p electricity companies still seem to have no problem charging us about 12p per Unit and I doubt the transmission costs are even 5p per Unit.
 
Oh Sorry. :lol:

We are subsidising the middle/upper class for a product that costing us 7 times more than if they buy it from the energy suppliers.

Say 7 quid instead of 1 quid looks large enough to me and we'll assume the real figure is somewhere between me and the salesmen.

Take away the subsidy and PV will fall flat on it's face.
 
The whole point is to subsidise renewable technologies so that they get the economies of scale to eventually make them price competitive without subsidy whilst the cost of other energy source such as gas and nuclear is only going to rise in the long term as North Sea gas runs out and many of the current UK nuclear power stations reach the end of their working lives and are decommissioned meaning new nuclear will have to be built if we are to have as much nuclear powered electricity as we have had and new nuclear power stations will not come cheap either and there is not an endless supply of nuclear fuel (uranium) either (which is why nuclear should not be classed as a renewable source of energy)

If we do not subsidise renewable technologies now then we will be stuck relying current sources of energy even as they become more scarce and hence much more expensive.
 
The whole point is why are we paying lord muck £7000 a year for something we can buy for £1000 a year, ficticious numbers before you check the spelling etc.

Now lets invent some more numbers and say theres 500000 homes taking up this very generous offer, for numbers which was double your estimates not too long ago.

That would be £3500000000. for something we could have got from the grid for £500000000.

Thats a loss of £3000000000, three thousand million quid per year. Reckon we could build an odd power station or two with that.

Anyway we are surrounded by water, and the technology is there to use that as a fuel.
 
The current cost of a nuclear generated KWh is 7.4p Add in 6% transmission losses brings it to 7.84p KWh. Then there is the decommissioning cost. But as you won't be around to pay it dia you won't have to worry about that :wink: )

And don't rely too much on Peter's reply as the domestic side of the market is dead while the commercial side is growing despite the fact that large generators are paid.......................................................6.85p KWh.

How much will it cost to decommission a solar array?
The estimated lifetime cost of dealing with the Sellafield site had increased to £67.5 billion

What say you now the dia? being ripped off ?

Edit: http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Sustainabil...ents1/FIT Tariff Table 1 May 2013 PV Only.pdf
 
Peter1919 said:
The whole sale price of electricity is around 5p per Unit. If Solar PV generators use half their own generated electricity which they get paid the FIT rate (current 15.44p for below 4kWp) regardless of whether they use it or export it plus they get paid 4.63p export rate for half of what they generate. Then it reasonable to say that they are paid (15.44 x 2)+4.63= 35.51p per Unit they export. Which is just over 7 times the 5p per unit, so 7 times not 10 times which is a large exaggeration.

Of course the fact is that although the wholesale electricity price is 5p electricity companies still seem to have no problem charging us about 12p per Unit and I doubt the transmission costs are even 5p per Unit.
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Peter there is something seriously wrong with your methodology.
 
Yes Mr Stone we are being ripped off.

Lets have some more make belief.

I go to the garage and it's £1.00 a gallon but I have to subsidise lord muck as well so it's going to cost me £7.00 a gallon. lets look on the bright side and say it's only £2.00 a gallon, are we still happy.

Would you knowingly pay £2.00 if you can buy the same product for £1.00. I think not.

So why the hell are we paying them £7.00, no say £4.00 for electricity we can buy for £1.00
 
No dia it's all in your mind :roll: you think the rich and undeserving are fleecing you and they're not. You dream of figures that don't exist.

The overly generous feed in tariff brought in by labour over-heated the market that's for sure and led to it's almost instant death. But it kick started small scale generations and when you've turned up your toes youngsters will be grateful for that.

Your energy supplier can tell you how much a KWh costs. You can check government websites to confirm that what they tell is indeed correct. You can check Government websites for small generators costs per KWh. If you have a mind to you can also check transmission/decommissioning costs.

Like Ben you live in bubble :wink:
 
You are missing the point Mr Stone.

it matters not how much of our money they are giving lord muck with his fancy panel, just up the road there's a field full of them, maybe 2-300.

They are still robbing me to subsidise them, so I'm being charged £2 for something I can buy on the open market for £1.

You can say any numbers you like the principle is still the same, we are being ripped off.

Would you be happy if BG added the neighbours electric bill to yours.

Ernie at number 22 is getting free electric and the rest of the street is paying for it. :mrgreen:
 
If there is a field solar array up the road from you then you are paying them less than you will pay for a KWh produced from Nuclear or say Didcot's coal/biomass (your nearest?) is around 6pKWh plus transmission losses you are not being ripped off are you.

As I said. Don't rely on Peter's reply he's wrong :wink:
 
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