Moving a radiator

Dear Forum Members!

I've hit another stumbling block with the radiator install :LOL:

The old radiator has a 3 cm gap between the wall and the rad, allowing the use of the following pipe guide and seal:
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The new vertical one has a much smaller gap (11mm):
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I am working with JG Speedfit 10mm pipe.

One option would be to use a seal like this:
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But this would mean running the pipe between the wall and the radiator, nearly squeezing it with the surface of the rad. Is that allowed?

Alternative installations that I have seen online look like this:
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How could they pull off the install in the last one?

What other options do I have, given the radiator feet leave very little space at the bottom:
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Thank you for your ongoing support!
 

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One option would be to use a seal like this:
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But this would mean running the pipe between the wall and the radiator, nearly squeezing it with the surface of the rad. Is that allowed?

If the pipe fits it'll be perfectly fine. You might even be able to reverse your current pipe outlet but if it's not been designed for flush mounting the pipes might foul the plastboard sides/back. If I was concerned about potential noise from any expansion-related rubbing (unlikely, but I always fear the worst!) then I might wrap a little bit of felt pipe lagging round the pipes where they might come into contact with the radiator.

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How could they pull off the install in the last one?

What you mean by that question? It looks like a normal installation to me?
 
Thank you for your prompt response, MJN!

It is great to know that there is no danger in having the pipe so close to the hot surface of the radiator.

What you mean by that question? It looks like a normal installation to me?
I wrongly assumed that you couldn't have the PB pipe close to the rad! That's all.

Out of interest, could I win a few extra millimetres by using a spacer? I guess that won't be a massive issue if the radiator legs are used..
 
That why a lot of these pipe guides are fitted recessed, a lot of radiators are mounted on the short side of the bracket and then don't allow enough clearance for the guides to be surface mounted as they always foul on the radiator. We would always fit them recessed.
 
Dear Forum Members,

I have now completed the move. Here are a few things that were unusual or of interest:

The original radiator feet supplied with the column rad were not high enough to lift the lower part of it over the skirtboard. We have this large skirtboard in our newbuild. This meant that I could not add the bottom mounting brackets, as they were catching on the skirtboard if I wanted to install them. I've used a junior hacksaw to cut off a redundant part of the bracket, to add extra support (perhaps, also redundant :) ).

Running the actual PB pipe was super-easy. I have used a bit of spit, as advised, to help get the speedfit in place, and all worked like charm. A little access hatch was provided to allow isolating the retrofit system.

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First issue was that the corner of the house didn't actually leave me any place to run the pipe, so I've just dented a little cavern in the two studs to allow some space for the pipes (and their isolation).
I know they always drop the pipes from the ceiling, but I have no idea how I would have opened the ceiling to re-run the pipe.

The second issue was getting the 10mm pipe to bend the way I want it to, through the face fix plate. I ended up making a loop inside the wall, to bend it the right way.

Getting through the exterior wall was a massive pain, as it had a layer of wood between the plasterboard and the TSW studs with insulation behind them. My cheap multitool has barely managed to get through it. The Japanese blade was completely ruined, and only the kit half-moon blade was able to slowly cut through it. What a tough material!

Putting the wall back together and plastering over it was horrendous, as in the exterior wall I could not rest the parts I've cut out on any studs - there was a power socket in-between, which prevented the cutout from staying in one piece. Or something like that :)

In terms of plumbing, I have re-used the same lockshields, filled the system, bled, re-inhibited via towel-rail radiator upstairs and switched on the boiler + heating.

The rad stayed cold. I tried re-balancing, but it didn't do much - all rads had their lockshields on one-quarter of a turn, and this new one had both valves open.

Eventually, I've made a contraption to get out a possible airlock: Took a 1/2 inch thread to 15mm push-fit adapter with a lengh of pipe from screwfix.
I've switched off the boiler with the system pressurised, closed both valves in the new rad, plugged the contraption into the bleed valve (after reducing the pressure in the rad), then opened the Inlet to flush out any airlocks. Then closed the inlet and opened the out lockshield to do the same. It didn't sound like much, but upon re-pressurising the system the rad went nice and hot in a few minutes.

I didn't trust my plumbing skills, so I have made a mistake of not mending the wall before offering up the rad and connecting it. So today I had to isolate the new radiator, drain it, take it off the wall and try to mend the holes (through which cold wind was blowing in, somehow!!). Eventually I have put the rad back up, proactively flushed some air out of it, re-bled, re-pressurised and re-inhibited the system (again!).

Luckily, the heating works. The wall looks horrible though!

Is it OK to leave most of the rads in the house with the OUT lockshield only on one quarter of the turn?
 
If that's all the rad need to obtain enough flow for them to heat up properly then no reason not too.

The trick with radiators though is correctly balancing the flow into each one, using the lockshields, this is to ensure they all heat up at the same time, that reduces cold spots in the house and minimises drafts.

There is a process to balance the system correctly and you will find it in this forum, it takes a while but the system is then at its most efficient.
 
The trick with radiators though is correctly balancing the flow into each one, using the lockshields, this is to ensure they all heat up at the same time, that reduces cold spots in the house and minimises drafts.

Thank you! I wasn't very clear - I did go through the balancing process (making the list of all rads, seeing which one heats up first, reducing the OUT lockshield, repeating, etc.).

The only concern I have now is a 'scratching sound' that can be heard in one of the small rads upstairs. It sounds almost like there are metal debris inside, but I've read that it could be bubbles. Bleeding it no longer yields any air - only water comes out. Not sure what to do about it!
 
Quick update: I had to leave the system to run hot for several hours and then cool down - that has appeared to help the air accumulate at the radiator closest to the combi-boiler. I have then repeated thsi a few times and the scratching sound has gone away
 
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