lol. Do you do much planning work?
How do you involve the designer after planing permission is involved? ie After the design work is done.
Overcome original planning permission condition forbidding extensions
lol. Do you do much planning work?
How do you involve the designer after planing permission is involved? ie After the design work is done.
Apply for a Removal of Conditions?
Or do a pre-app first to test the water at the Council? You don't need proper drawings for a pre-app, just a location plan and your rough ideas. If your ultimate aim is to build under PD then you don;t need architects drawings to submit to the council for that.
Or do a pre-app first to test the water at the Council? You don't need proper drawings for a pre-app, just a location plan and your rough ideas. If your ultimate aim is to build under PD then you don;t need architects drawings to submit to the council for that.
He cannot build under PD because those rights have been withdrawn.
He cannot successfully apply to have the Conditions removed because they were imposed to give the council extra control.
The first thing is to see if there are similar extensions in the area .
Tony
He cannot successfully apply to have the Conditions removed because they were imposed to give the council extra control.
The first thing is to see if there are similar extensions in the area .
Tony
Thanks guys,
nab, My concern is that if I went to planning pre-app myself, I would get planning officer to take position,
and it could be for me hard to argue or come with counter proposals and exhaust all the possibilities on the spot.
I want the extension as big as possible with enough headroom, planning if allows anything at all will hopefully allow something feasible.
I have tried couple of people recommended to me, but looks they are either on holiday or busy, so am still looking.
Tony, more about my local planning situation if you'd be keen sharing your insights:
My entire side of the street had consisted of regularly shaped detached bungalows until several years ago.
In 1997 my plot was subject to application for two semidetached houses, this was turned down and ended up with 2 semi-D bungalows.
My bungalow is one of these semis (one of the only pair on my side of the street).
Now the bungalow trend has been broken several years ago when 3 bungalows away from me two detached houses have been raised.
My house and all houses on my side of the street are on plots that used to be back gardens of the semiD houses on the main street. These old houses
have been extended quite viciously more than half have got loft dormer conversion and half have one storey extensions and often both.
From bungalows on my street, that is on my side of the street, the biggest conversion was adding a garage/conservatory. None of the bungalows have ridge high enough for anything
meaningful in the loft. My semi-D bungalow has technical potential thanks to the roof spanning over both semi-D, which made loft well above 3m high at ridge even with low pitch.
The biggest development was directly opposite my bungalow actually. 2 storey retirement home was converted into 3 storey student accommodation with roof rise and loft conversion.
Maciej
nab, My concern is that if I went to planning pre-app myself, I would get planning officer to take position,
and it could be for me hard to argue or come with counter proposals and exhaust all the possibilities on the spot.
I want the extension as big as possible with enough headroom, planning if allows anything at all will hopefully allow something feasible.
I have tried couple of people recommended to me, but looks they are either on holiday or busy, so am still looking.
Tony, more about my local planning situation if you'd be keen sharing your insights:
My entire side of the street had consisted of regularly shaped detached bungalows until several years ago.
In 1997 my plot was subject to application for two semidetached houses, this was turned down and ended up with 2 semi-D bungalows.
My bungalow is one of these semis (one of the only pair on my side of the street).
Now the bungalow trend has been broken several years ago when 3 bungalows away from me two detached houses have been raised.
My house and all houses on my side of the street are on plots that used to be back gardens of the semiD houses on the main street. These old houses
have been extended quite viciously more than half have got loft dormer conversion and half have one storey extensions and often both.
From bungalows on my street, that is on my side of the street, the biggest conversion was adding a garage/conservatory. None of the bungalows have ridge high enough for anything
meaningful in the loft. My semi-D bungalow has technical potential thanks to the roof spanning over both semi-D, which made loft well above 3m high at ridge even with low pitch.
The biggest development was directly opposite my bungalow actually. 2 storey retirement home was converted into 3 storey student accommodation with roof rise and loft conversion.
Maciej
Seems likely in 1997 that the planners were feeling reluctant and covering possible local criticism by imposing the condition so they have full control over any further development. That is a fairly common tactic.
I still recommend a planning consultant.
Apart from his specialist experience, the planners are aware that he could successfully appeal if they are minded to refuse something that is reasonable in planning terms.
They don't like losing appeals because it implies their refusal was unreasonable.
I don't know if your proposals are reasonable in planning terms.
What is your neighbour's attitude?
I still recommend a planning consultant.
Apart from his specialist experience, the planners are aware that he could successfully appeal if they are minded to refuse something that is reasonable in planning terms.
They don't like losing appeals because it implies their refusal was unreasonable.
I don't know if your proposals are reasonable in planning terms.
What is your neighbour's attitude?
Have not spoken to neighbours yet.
Other half of my semi have been being rented on short-term. Other side neighbouring bungalow have been rented to students also on short-term.
My back garden borders with garden of one of the original houses' garden and the owner is actually owner of the other half of the semi.
I saw him/his family complaining on their neighbours building subsequent extension - but this was like 3rd extension to this house.
This owner has actually live in house on diagonal plot to mine - he looks to have bought back garden of his neighbour that faces my house.
Other half of my semi have been being rented on short-term. Other side neighbouring bungalow have been rented to students also on short-term.
My back garden borders with garden of one of the original houses' garden and the owner is actually owner of the other half of the semi.
I saw him/his family complaining on their neighbours building subsequent extension - but this was like 3rd extension to this house.
This owner has actually live in house on diagonal plot to mine - he looks to have bought back garden of his neighbour that faces my house.
Regarding my planning proposals.
I have this low pitched hipped roof. My simplest idea is to do hip to gable conversion (or do the Dutch gable) and add large shed style back dormer going back 3/4th towards the back wall.
This AFAIK would be possible with permitted development and give me some close to 40sqm with good room height.
With PM this would mostly be limited by roof volume increase and distance to neighbour - 1m from the wall under the hip to the fence.
Ideally with no planning considerations I would dream of something not necessarily larger but more practical and even friendlier to all neighbours.
1 option:
I would do hip to gable, and add smaller (but still wide) shed dormer in front and a similar in the back taking some 1/2 length each way. The roof then on both sides would be low pitched and dormers would be not overwhelming.
2nd option:
* large pitched gable dormer at the back with ridge only slightly raised above the current main ridge height. It would pivot the accents around.
And actually would look like the main roof , but I think would look really nice and would be bearly noticeable in front. Though hip would be eleveated by some 1.2 meters and the new ridge end would only slightly slightly out above current ridge line ~ some 30cm.
I have this low pitched hipped roof. My simplest idea is to do hip to gable conversion (or do the Dutch gable) and add large shed style back dormer going back 3/4th towards the back wall.
This AFAIK would be possible with permitted development and give me some close to 40sqm with good room height.
With PM this would mostly be limited by roof volume increase and distance to neighbour - 1m from the wall under the hip to the fence.
Ideally with no planning considerations I would dream of something not necessarily larger but more practical and even friendlier to all neighbours.
1 option:
I would do hip to gable, and add smaller (but still wide) shed dormer in front and a similar in the back taking some 1/2 length each way. The roof then on both sides would be low pitched and dormers would be not overwhelming.
2nd option:
* large pitched gable dormer at the back with ridge only slightly raised above the current main ridge height. It would pivot the accents around.
And actually would look like the main roof , but I think would look really nice and would be bearly noticeable in front. Though hip would be eleveated by some 1.2 meters and the new ridge end would only slightly slightly out above current ridge line ~ some 30cm.
Since PD is not available to you then I don't see any advantage in not trying for what you really want and particularly if it can be less intrusive to neighbours.
But then a good planning consultant would advise.
But then a good planning consultant would advise.
One of the planning consultants that I worked with was from a top rated firm who worked on Alton Towers and town centre shopping centres.
Normally they would not have wanted small jobs like ours but probably liked the idea of having the BBC on their client list!
Normally they would not have wanted small jobs like ours but probably liked the idea of having the BBC on their client list!
Of course you can apply to remove a planning condition.
Apply to vary or remove conditions
Sometimes circumstances change so that a condition imposed at the time permission was granted is no longer necessary. An application can be made to vary the terms of a condition attached to a planning consent or to apply to remove it where:
- You wish to carry out the approved development without complying with a condition previously imposed
- Retrospective permission is needed for development that has already been carried out without complying with a planning condition imposed on the original decision
The Council will consider why the condition was originally attached and decide, using the information provided, whether there have been any changes in circumstances which may allow that condition to be removed, or varied, to an alternative wording or restriction.
A pre-app is just an indication of the council's view on a particular proposal. It doesn't cement anything in stone.
If they indicate support for a certain idea it doesn;t mean that you can't submit a full planning application for something different, or even do a another pre-app first. At least you would have an idea what they would support before you go too far.
You might even just do a pre-app on whether they would accept a removal of conditions on the PD restrictions. I can't see why not (although I am quite ready to admit that I'm wrong). PD is much more lax than it was 20 years ago and the government have quite a pro-development agenda.
I think of is most unlikely they will remove that condition.
The whole point is to give them total control of planning in the area.
It does not mean that a development cannot be made but only that a planning aplication will have to be made.
Preapps incur a cost and as far as I can tell are only used for very large developments where the planners would have views on the scope and style.
The whole point is to give them total control of planning in the area.
It does not mean that a development cannot be made but only that a planning aplication will have to be made.
Preapps incur a cost and as far as I can tell are only used for very large developments where the planners would have views on the scope and style.