Subflooring issues

[Rygel Dominar]

I've always been told (by the flooring guys) that it isn't advisable to skim directly over floor boards - too many joints which can potentially move. They generally require a layer of plywood to go down first (on 150mm screw centres...) over which they apply the levelling compound

Lol I was told the same from a specialist flooring site but they sold hardwood some times people forget the details aka lino ... I'm just quoting what I've been told when I asked if they could fix the slope but that seems it only for tiles or hardwood finish but again you can lay it on ply wood he said you can't he didn't say the lino wouldn't stick we were talking about a slope either caused by rhe boards or by the ply he might be right I don't spend all day voiding works I do know that social can and will cut corners afterall all the works getting repaired were demmed fine on sign-off if you get my drift but in the grand scheme it's just a floor but would it be nice if was done betted yeah of course in my 20s I wouldn't of cared guess I'm getting old as now I want a nice place to rest my head lol

Isn't there a guy in London who started a campaign to make housing associations more responsive to their tennants? And to improve the quality of workmanship?

Who when, lol was it voting time lol or after grenfell abit late after everyone's is dead isn't it lol they had know for years the stuff was a fire risk they like others just thought it would never happen till it did.

The only noticeable change is the white paper but it's just paper and won't be followed I'm sure there was paper saying don't use beams that can melt or speed up a fire rate but it still happend what about all them yearly risk assessment to pinpoint such risks um.... Like with cladding or water laws pack testing etc laws, bills are only voluntary followed and big corporations do they pick and choose which one they do. They'll never actually be sent to jail it was the government afterall and rhey didn't follow there own rules but this isn't like having 6 pints instead of 5 they in dangered peoples life to save a few quid they built it and not one of them has faced criminal charges I'd go to jail you would but if your rich or powerfully enough you don't or a celebrity lol


What is the cladding crisis? In 2019, the then chairman of the Grenfell inquiry panel, Sir Martin Moore-Bick, concluded that the “principal reason” the fire spread at such pace was down to combustible cladding with polyethylene cores, which acted as a “source of fuel”.9 Jan 2022

https://www.theguardian.com › jan

Five years after Grenfell, are all cladding victims now going to get ...​

Anyway they've been saying that forever and more probably ever since they were first built/introduced im 1919 probably.


lol jokes aside to some degrees I guess they have inside plumbing/toilets coal fires but you gotta compare and judge against the standards/knowledge of the times we're in.

A Light bulb would be a blessing when you grew up with having to use candles but we've progressed way past that now lol

But generally I wouldn't be here talking to you if they had done good work.

But work since top notch boiler kitchen some bathroom works and boxing all nicely done but all needed doing beacuse poor prior works this has lead to massive rows with landlord and others caught in the middle it all sucks tbh its a position I wish I had never put myself in I should of just kept my mouth shut and do what everyone else does and just accept it but practically I couldn't I need to be able to take showers and walk on my floors



And nah they say it again every few years for public approval.

They make new laws and have meeting and bills but none off it's any good if its not followed and none of it works on the ground level my reality is very different....

We seem to live in totally different worlds lol so but like you said the you've seen good and bad it's the same with anything I just came her to learn not to stir the pot sot of thing to learn of its been done right or not amd how the right way is and you've helped so much I won't bother you again

I don't do politics but they often don't live in the real world and are limited to the way they experience life

lol politics and reality 2 very different things I have found and I'm the one who is lived/living it so... and have been for years its got no better.

As for the blokes i don't know who did the work prior I wouldn't say lazy I would say the void works and others have been done bad but I had a kitchen re done due to bad work and some joiner work both fine. Again who taught them how to do it who let's them do it without out knowing all the facts it's hard to come to an honest conclusion.

It's like many things in life you get good and bad , hair, cuts, tattoos, drivers chefs saldy thats just life if I get a bad hair cut I'm not going to go back am I but I'm forced to live in social because I'm a poor **** lol

If someone guaranteed me 60 hours a week for the next year or 2 all you'd see is my dust lol



Anyway thanks for all you help.

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Not always - even new builds can be very variable. It often depends on the site manager.

Its just comparison isn't it which sucks I've been to other places seen other homes and the standard/quality of theirs is massively different i can't help but notice say someone paint job and compare and your like why doesn't mine look like that oh wait money thats the only thing thats the only difference between you and themlol jokes aside lol you've helped alot cherrs

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Yes, that works, but you do have to skim the floor with levelling compound as well to get a decent surface to lay carpet, etc onto. Standard practice on commercial jobs these days

Okay thats for carpet but what about for lino i know you can use it over ply wood say if you wish to lay tiles or hard wood.

His argument was that it can't be use over ply wood at all... I'm sure he know his stuff just obviously whether they okay the cost to be fair this property has cost a few quid with repairs but again if they were done right to start it wouldn't have.

Again who ever did the overboarding would know that they then lay lino ontop as they so this with all there stock as a standard so they would have like you said laid it so it was neat and tidy and 150mm centers so there wouldn't telegraph anyway thats that I'm just trying to learn so I know i would love to just do it all myself but the cost of all the tools and stuff isn't practical and out of principle I refuse to do work as they don't like paying me back lol

Then I was advise the slope would take major structural works to fix? I doubt this as its the floor that uneven not the foundations but am I right here or wrong.

But obviously with lino if its not some massively heavy duty that will stay down by its own weight bit if its a large area and light to medium weight it needs to be adhesive down all over right?

Can it/lino stick to self levelling compound? If not screwing would brake it right and make it useless so could you just overboard again of not? And if so how? I know you can bolt onto concert?

I think I got my information confused aka tiles hard wood floor over lino or do I just use somthing to stop it cracking?

I also suggested that I have read that you can use different levels of plywood to reduce it is this right its on a site.

2) Plywood

A second option is installing a plywood above the original subfloor to create a new smooth surface. If there are any large variations in the level of the floor, you can find plywood of different thickness and install them accordingly, so the different areas meet at the same level

https://floorvenue.com.au/

It's not a big deal be nice as washing bangs I can't lower the feet anymore they just pop out otherwise also if I'm wrong I'll own it its how I learn.

All the work I've had since has been good this is old work I dunno whos was like it when I moved in but again would have been left if I didn't catch it. I wouldn't have known if the had actually glued down the lino lol

Cherrs,

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Lovely cut around capped gas pipe and edges just why leave it like that? When you know thats the cuts are bad lino will telegraph through it and the grains/sheets are going in all different directions and just plopped around instead I dun no am I wrong abiut this "knock" oh and them lovely rusted nails poking through the vinyl foot infection here i come lol

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Now the white goods have been moved it just gets worse more nails that have bent but just hammered down anyways again look electrical wire and screws and hair so much bloody hair defo they cleaned prep'ed the surface this is why I'd brush then hoover then hoover again but again I've hot high standards thats just me. I'll just hoover but it obviously needs to be re done before they lay the adhesive /after and i between works.

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Again knock bathroom doesnhave screws but no 150mm intervals look just a example first at 0cm then 31cm then 76.5cm

 

[Mr Chibs]

Don't know about everyone else, but I've got plywood fatigue

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Don't know about everyone else, but I've got plywood fatigue

At least you can just log out lol it's pretty much sorted in the fact I've leant what I've needed to just need to know about the compound strange probably about the same amount of letters is needed as your last post.

Anyway hope the dig made you feel better ...its cool I get you I'm sick off it 2 been like 1.5 years who would have thought diy questions on a diy forum It sort of turned more into a genuine conversation with job knock perhaps I should have taken it to private my apologies as he has advised me on everything I needed/asked before I was using this post as a conversation go between. Like who had funk it a man likes diy lol Sorry.

I've found information that confirms first that I can use self leveling compound on ply.. So check

Can I then lay vinyl ontop of this... Checked.

"Because the self-leveling compound creates the equivalent of a concrete subfloor, your new floor type must be one that uses an adhesive or mortar for placement. Laminate, vinyl or another layer of ceramic tiles are all compatible flooring types, as are glued-on hardware floors."

My Apologies I had to check as I was advised I couldn't level out the slope with a compound.

https://www.hunker.com/13402334/can-i-put-new-flooring-on-top-of-ceramic-tile

 

[Mr Chibs]

OK, now you've got the info, lets hope we see some photos when you tackle this little lot.

Good luck.

 

[Rygel Dominar]

Cheers for all the help guys

 

[Rygel Dominar]

So you asked for some pics after okay after the guys were given the okay to lift the ply the floorboards were/are a mess.... You would have thought that would have called the job off so it could be fixed as obviously all the issues are going to effect the vinyl flooring once down and also just floor safety. Nope!

Also so things don't fall through it. But guess they weren't a just told to carry on. Their work is okay with the orders they had.

I had some issue with holes around pipes which having no floorboard the ply had nothing to stick to to sit round around the pipes guess the guy had never heard of a profile gauge or even paper lol jokes aside. So the ply had nothing to stick/screw to so a make shift filler was made.

I also have dips due to having having no ply at all underneath by my kitchen door which has created a dip.

All of which has created telegraping which you can see in pics 6/7 those lines aren't shadows thats the ply outlines I can see outlines of the sheet and the floor bumps aka telegraping when the lights off.

But the lads all did a massively better job than the people who did the work prior to them... Which wasn't them!

But they had terrible subfloor/floorboards to work with and no my landlord wasn't going to pay to fix the floorboards that are still a mess just now hidden ... It's a very different standard when your soical they just want to patch over it... So it looks good on the surface...

They gave the go ahead for the pervious works that made the floorboards a mess all work gets inspected after remember so....


They said okay/signed off on the floorboards missing like that and I don't know why the floorboard is overcut like that by the pipes.

Seems who ever laid the work for the CH pipes made one hell of a mess and didn't know how to use a jigsaw I had some kind of cheap cabinet chipboard as a make shift floorboard it crazy how that held the weight of a 68kg washing machine with its concrete block inside. Lucky it didn't land on someone head below but guess there is still time

Again this standard is nothing unusual with social and remember I had to fight them just to get 3 more sheets of ply as originally they said just fill the bad parts.


So please don't just say they need to replace them or they should have if I hadn't kicked off like a 5 year old they would have never even had done the plywood they don't care about quality as long as the rent keeps coming in again the pictures speak for themselfs so think for yourself and make up your own conclusion.

Thanks for all your help guys you've taught me alot I've learnt from you all thanks.


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