The heat pump trial

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2 years ago the dept of bussiness energy and industrial strategy

announced that it would cough up 14.6 million on heat pump trial that aimed to install 750 heat pumps

it began in July 2020

more than 4500 applications were received for a free heat pump install covering all work required

by the end of November only 19
Heat pumps were installed

Less than 1% of the successful applicants actually decided to take up the free offer

due to the up heaval that it would cause in there house

pipes replaced
Floors ripped up
New radiators
Those on combis required storage cylinders

the green home deal has a grant of 5 grand extended to 2022

this grant will only scratch the surface the cost of a heat pump is estimated at an average install cost of 10,700

this is before U take into account the cost for house or heating system changes
 
Click on 'Forums' and scroll down and click on to the 'Plumbing and Central Heating' section.(y)
 
Air source heat pumps are only suitable for well insulated modern houses

People that have had them in older houses are often disappointed.

Luke warm radiators....not much fun.
 
transam said:
2 years ago the dept of bussiness energy and industrial strategy

announced that it would cough up 14.6 million on heat pump trial that aimed to install 750 heat pumps

it began in July 2020

more than 4500 applications were received for a free heat pump install covering all work required

by the end of November only 19
Heat pumps were installed

Less than 1% of the successful applicants actually decided to take up the free offer

due to the up heaval that it would cause in there house

pipes replaced
Floors ripped up
New radiators
Those on combis required storage cylinders

the green home deal has a grant of 5 grand extended to 2022

this grant will only scratch the surface the cost of a heat pump is estimated at an average install cost of 10,700

this is before U take into account the cost for house or heating system changes
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Ground or air ? Only really viable in new builds with better efficiency.
 
Friends recently renovated their restaurant completely, including the installation of a reversible air source heat pump system to the three (public) rooms of their restaurant. It cost about €20,000, but it works well in winter and summer.
Two whole sides of their restaurant are single glazed (it's a corner location) shop style windows. Obviously there are large volumes of air extraction going on in the kitchen. Domestic apartments above, but I would imagine little to no insulation in the floors or the other walls.
They report that they are content and comfortable with the system.
 
Whenever I read about the advantages of heat pump or solar panel installations, I always ask myself how long would it take to recover the installation and through life maintenance costs before enjoying the financial benefit above and beyond the cost of the previous system. Saving the planet is a different argument.
 
Doug99 said:
Whenever I read about the advantages of heat pump or solar panel installations, I always ask myself how long would it take to recover the installation and through life maintenance costs before enjoying the financial benefit above and beyond the cost of the previous system. Saving the planet is a different argument.
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But the two arguments must be taken in tandem.
What is the expected life of a boiler/radiator?
What is the expected life of a solar panel/ufh or heat pump/ufh system?
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
What is the expected life of a boiler/radiator?
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Older, so called "inefficient" boilers have lasted decades, 40-50 years sometimes, and with minimal repairs , which means less miles driven in vehicles and new parts being made and shipped all over, whereas a new high efficiency (read high maintenance and fickle) boiler will usually require more travel to visit and more parts made to effect repairs to the many breakdowns in the boilers short lifetime, so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other, a new boiler may be more efficient when running, but the environmental cost of keeping it going is probably not much different in the environmental cost of running a very old boiler, and maintenance costs of a newer boiler will negate any savings on fuel used.
 
Ihavenojob said:
Older, so called "inefficient" boilers have lasted decades, 40-50 years sometimes, and with minimal repairs , which means less miles driven in vehicles and new parts being made and shipped all over, whereas a new high efficiency (read high maintenance and fickle) boiler will usually require more travel to visit and more parts made to effect repairs to the many breakdowns in the boilers short lifetime, so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other, a new boiler may be more efficient when running, but the environmental cost of keeping it going is probably not much different in the environmental cost of running a very old boiler, and maintenance costs of a newer boiler will negate any savings on fuel used.
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And compared to a solar or heat pump installation?
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
And compared to a solar or heat pump installation?
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All well and good if you have a roof or garden to put the things on/in. A lot of people live in flats which will limit the installation, rental properties will probably not have them installed, listed or houses in conservation areas may have restrictions. Maintenance costs of pumps/panels, who knows, install costs prohibitive on existing properties, but would be factored in on a new build, they reckon new build eco houses are more attractive than a non eco of a similar type, even though the eco house will cost more. Like most tech, prices will come down and these things may be more affordable, but at the moment there is no ready made alternative to fossil fuel heating to the majority of people.
 
[A new] Report finds users even in Victorian properties and older rural homes are noticing cheaper bills and warmer homes


Gillian Woodward, 50, says her house has been “completely transformed for the better” by installing an air source heat pump. Woodward, a community nurse in north Wales, was “astounded” to discover that she was eligible for a government-backed means-tested grant that covered the whole cost of insulating and installing a heat pump in her home.

Her experience chimes with the findings of a report by the thinktank Nesta last year that found satisfaction levels for heat pump users in Victorian or older properties were 83%, challenging the idea that the heating technology is only suited to those in newly built homes. The survey found that two-thirds of heat pump owners and 59% of gas boiler owners were satisfied even without extensive energy efficiency upgrades.

Go Green@the Guaridan

Has anyone fitted a heat pump since this thread was started?
 
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