The Mother Of All Thumpings

denso13 said:
It never is with war.
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Truly - As far as i can see this is a never ending war - eternal conflict of the kind dreamed of in Dystopian fantasies and the Proles are encouraged to pick a side according to the whims of the leadership, according to the ideology of the day.
America was heavily criticised for a lack of exit strategy from Afghanistan, so what does Israel intend to do after extracting sufficient justice to satiate their bloodlust? Carry on as usual? Unacceptable.
 
Odds said:
so what does Israel intend to do after extracting sufficient justice to satiate their bloodlust? Carry on as usual? Unacceptable.
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I have said on numerous occasions what I think needs to happen.
 
Bod ... said:
You see that these apologists for Hamas don't get this is a war.

I don't like war, innocent helpless people die.

Israels war isn't over until they eradicate the people who restarted this conflict.
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Strictly speaking you can't declare war on your own military occupied region.
It becomes subject to civilian rule, your own civilian jurisdiction.
You can root out terrorists, just like any other civilian jurisdiction, but it's not a war.
The war ended when the military occupation began.
Any indiscrminate killing during a military occupation is a crime against humanity,which is pretty much the same as describing it as a war crime, strictly speaking.

As for eliminating Hamas, that just isn't possible. You might elimnate the 'name' of Hamas, but there will always be a stuggle against a military occupation, whatever the name of the combatants is.

if yolu declare it as a war, you are legitimising the opposing combatants.
Combatants are persons who are authorized to use force in situations of armed conflict by international humanitarian law. Conversely, they constitute legitimate military targets in times of armed conflict. But, contrary to civilians, they may not be subject to criminal prosecutions for their participation in hostilities as long as their use of force is in conformity with the provisions of the law of armed conflict, also named humanitarian law.
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So opposing combantants and terrorists is an incorrect use of one or both terminology.
But both sides have evidently committed war crimes, or crimes against humanity.
 
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ReganAndCarter said:
It really is. Can't ever remember a time when there wasn't some conflict in that area. Unlikely to ever be resolved. Flares up now and again and gets the media, etc all excited. Just plain boring!
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Not sure 'boring' is the word i'd choose to describe it, old fruitcup, but here we are again - it's hearing the same arguments that can get boring; the same ways we all avoid having to deal with an issue thousands of miles away yet affects us on the streets of dear ol' Blighty, dragging everyone into the argument, come what may.
Israel wants things to get back on track so they can quietly go about their business away from the glare of the world's media and Hamas is determined to disrupt thier cosy plans to evict everyone out of the West Bank and declare Gaza a 'buffer zone' of some sort.
Ne'er the twain shall meet, ad infinitum, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa; ego te absolvo, Amen. Here endeth the lesson. Foorsooth! tea anyone?
 
Odds said:
Not sure 'boring' is the word i'd choose to describe it, old fruitcup, but here we are again - it's hearing the same arguments that can get boring; the same ways we all avoid having to deal with an issue thousands of miles away yet affects us on the streets of dear ol' Blighty, dragging everyone into the argument, come what may.
Israel wants things to get back on track so they can quietly go about their business away from the glare of the world's media and Hamas is determined to disrupt thier cosy plans to evict everyone out of the West Bank and declare Gaza a 'buffer zone' of some sort.
Ne'er the twain shall meet, ad infinitum, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa; ego te absolvo, Amen. Here endeth the lesson. Foorsooth! tea anyone?
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White, no sugar.
 
Odds said:
Not sure 'boring' is the word i'd choose to describe it, old fruitcup, but here we are again - it's hearing the same arguments that can get boring; the same ways we all avoid having to deal with an issue thousands of miles away yet affects us on the streets of dear ol' Blighty, dragging everyone into the argument, come what may.
Israel wants things to get back on track so they can quietly go about their business away from the glare of the world's media and Hamas is determined to disrupt thier cosy plans to evict everyone out of the West Bank and declare Gaza a 'buffer zone' of some sort.
Ne'er the twain shall meet, ad infinitum, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa; ego te absolvo, Amen. Here endeth the lesson. Foorsooth! tea anyone?
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Have you got Redbush?
 
Bod ... said:
How far are you dating back. ?
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The subjugation and imprisonment of Palestinians has been going on for decades
Maybe you missed the news about how many palestinians were impeisoned by Israel over the recent ceasefire period?
Answer: more than they released in the 'swap'
Or maybe you missed the 8 year old child shot and killed by IDF in the West Bank?
 
Bod ... said:
If we hadn't bombed and killed innocent people we would now be speaking another language.
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Unacceptable justification for killing women and children, or genocide even.

WW2 would have been perpetuated by armed struggle against any occupier.
And any chance of UK being invaded was a non-starter.
There comes a time when a military campaign runs out of steam, (or logistical credibility)
 
denso13 said:
From anywhere in the world. They have vowed to kill all Jews.
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Nonsense, they have recognised the right of Jews to exist, and continue to live in the Levant.
You're confusing the refusal to accept the state of Israel to govern the Levant, and the military occupation of Palestine.
 
Bod ... said:
Jews are living in fear in this country and have been in France for a very long time.
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So are Muslims. Why do you identify Jews as being a special case?
In reality I suspect that Jews, as a whole, suffer less discrimination than other groups.
Only a minority of Jews are identifiable as Jews. Ohther ethnicities are easily identifiable, immigrants or not.
 
denso13 said:
If Hamas are hiding behind innocent people, with tunnels and command centres below hospitals etc., then yes. We'll probably never know the truth.
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Big "If". There's been no evidence other than a couple of guns, first aid, body armour, etc. The kind of things one would find in any security office attached to a government building.
I still find incredible that Israel claims to know where these tunnels are, but couldn't forseee the 7 October incursion.

Hamas said it was in retaliation for the storming of Al-Aqsa Mosque in occupied East Jerusalem and Israeli settlers’ growing violence against Palestinians.

Meanwhile Israel increases its 'distributuion' of arms to Israeli civilians. They don't even have to go and buy them,
Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has begun distributing recently purchased assault rifles to civilian “security teams.”

Ben-Gvir said on the X social media platform Thursday that the distribution of weapons has begun in dozens of settlements.
The distribution is focused on areas near the Gaza Strip, the West Bank and mixed cities where Jewish and Arabs live in Israel.
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www.aa.com.tr

Israel's security minister distributes assault rifles to civilians

Far-right minister begins providing arms to civilian ‘security teams,’ including settler volunteers - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr www.aa.com.tr
 
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