Death penalty

[ajohn]

cut and dried cases

That's the problem - are they? The other point is how effective a deterrent it actually is. So pick s few thst look ok and may not be and be barbaric just for you?

Another point also cropped up - home secretaries not liking to sign the deaths off.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

The other point is how effective a deterrent it actually is.

Deterrent, or not, it matters not at all. Point is, we don't have the 'pleasure' of keeping them for years at public expense, nor the risk if and when they are eventually let out..

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Deterrent, or not, it matters not at all. Point is, we don't have the 'pleasure' of keeping them for years at public expense, nor the risk if and when they are eventually let out..

And a few mistakes won't matter ?

 

[ajstoneservices]

Who can forget that time Ian Hislop destroying Preti Patel on the subject on Question Time.

And the families of murder victims whose lives have been destroyed, was there any mention of them?

 

[Notch7]

And the families of murder victims whose lives have been destroyed, was there any mention of them?

victims of crime never ever get the support they should receive

the news cycle moves on and the victims get forgotten, but the victims cant forget. Nothing can undestroy the lives of those families subjected to random acts of violence, I can see death penalty as an act of retribution might bring some help to victims, but it cant undo the original violence.

 

[ajstoneservices]

I remember seeing the mother of Anthony Walker being interviewed and wondered how she could be so forgiving. To this day I think that she was quite a remarkable woman.

 

[noseall]

Point is, we don't have the 'pleasure' of keeping them for years at public expense,

Hilarious.

Have you any idea how much a death row prisoner costs the US per year and just how many years that goes on for?

 

[noseall]

And the families of murder victims whose lives have been destroyed, was there any mention of them?

By Hislop? Was Priti lying about them too?

 

[gas112]

Who decides it is a clear cut case? The courts?

Those people who have got it wrong before ?

So you didnt think lee rigby was clear cut then ?

 

[JonathanM]

So you didnt think lee rigby was clear cut then ?

It's an interesting idea legally. Has it been tried anywhere. Might there be a higher standard of proof for the jury; higher than "beyond reasonable doubt". The obvious one would be "beyond all doubt".

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So you didnt think lee rigby was clear cut then ?

Where did I say that? Maybe you can point it out to me where I did? Clue, I didn't !

Now, who gets to decide if a case is clear cut? prepared to actually answer?

 

[Mrs Doubtfyre]

It's an interesting idea legally. Has it been tried anywhere. Might there be a higher standard of proof for the jury; higher than "beyond reasonable doubt". The obvious one would be "beyond all doubt".

It would remove the typical squirrel argument that many have, about other countries being uncivilised because they have capital punishment.
We couldn't deny them that old chestnut.

 

[gas112]

Where did I say that? Maybe you can point it out to me where I did? Clue, I didn't !

Now, who gets to decide if a case is clear cut? prepared to actually answer?

and have you missed the fact that people have said where there is no doubt whatsoever but you still question them by saying who decides clear cut . A judge obviously following whatever new laws come in

 

[JonathanM]

A judge obviously following whatever new laws come in

Why not the jury? That would make more sense legally.

 

[freddiemercurystwin]

And the families of murder victims whose lives have been destroyed, was there any mention of them?

The families of the murder victims of those that were sentenced who were consequently found innocent and would have been murdered by the state you mean?