In short, lies to get elected and then they do what they want whatever the colour of the rosette
It's all just gimmicks to gain power!
General Election 4th July
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It's all just gimmicks to gain power!
No chance of winning, you mean
This time around...
Whoever wins on Thursday faces an impossible task given the mess that the nasty party have left...
Thus farage and his national socialist ideology is looking at 2029...
Or before when a chance to seize power arises due to an ever dumbed down electorate
Who have probably never heard of an enabling act...
In the UK it's called secondary legislation!
Reform? Racist?
"A Reform UK general election candidate has defected to the Conservatives, the second in the past week to quit the populist party following a backlash over racist remarks by some of its activists.
Georgie David, Reform’s candidate in West Ham and Beckton in east London, said on Tuesday that she would suspend her campaign with immediate effect
In a statement issued by the Conservative party, David said that while the leadership of Reform was not racist, the vast majority of the party’s candidates were “racist, misogynistic, and bigoted”. “I do not wish to be directly associated with people who hold such views,” David said.
"A Reform UK general election candidate has defected to the Conservatives, the second in the past week to quit the populist party following a backlash over racist remarks by some of its activists.
Georgie David, Reform’s candidate in West Ham and Beckton in east London, said on Tuesday that she would suspend her campaign with immediate effect
In a statement issued by the Conservative party, David said that while the leadership of Reform was not racist, the vast majority of the party’s candidates were “racist, misogynistic, and bigoted”. “I do not wish to be directly associated with people who hold such views,” David said.
The Tory reckon their Labour smear campaign is working. I suppose if they say pensioners will be taxed enough times some will believe it without knowing what it means or when it may happen. State only as well. Have a private one and tax will be applied to all. Fact checks show holes in the smears anyway. Same with the Lab main Tory smear. Based on them needing to borrow due to not pulling enough money out of welfare. Labour reported some interesting numbers on how the total bill is made up. Seems to be correct
In 2024 to 2025 the UK is forecast to spend £315.8 billion[footnote 2] on the social security system. This includes DWP benefit expenditure, Tax credits and Child Benefit, and Northern Ireland Social Security.
Around 55% of social security expenditure goes to pensioners; in 2024 to 2025 we will spend £167.6 billion on benefits for pensioners in GB. This includes spending on the State Pension which is forecast to be £138.1 billion in 2024 to 2025.
In 2024 to 2025 we will spend £138 billion on working age and children welfare. This includes spending on Universal Credit and its predecessors, and non-DWP welfare spending.
In 2024 to 2025 we will spend £89 billion on benefits to support disabled people and people with health conditions, and £35.3 billion on housing benefits.
The question is the breakdown to the £89b and if it can be reduced by 11. No luck finding any breakdown of that but last time they went at very aggressively and it didn't cut it as much as they thought. Poor decisions by the vetters. Labour say speed up the NHS appointment times. There are also all sorts of disabilities that can effect work including mental ones. I also wonder what will happen with some who live in an area where it's not easy to get a job. That can be age related, young or older.
In 2024 to 2025 the UK is forecast to spend £315.8 billion[footnote 2] on the social security system. This includes DWP benefit expenditure, Tax credits and Child Benefit, and Northern Ireland Social Security.
Around 55% of social security expenditure goes to pensioners; in 2024 to 2025 we will spend £167.6 billion on benefits for pensioners in GB. This includes spending on the State Pension which is forecast to be £138.1 billion in 2024 to 2025.
In 2024 to 2025 we will spend £138 billion on working age and children welfare. This includes spending on Universal Credit and its predecessors, and non-DWP welfare spending.
In 2024 to 2025 we will spend £89 billion on benefits to support disabled people and people with health conditions, and £35.3 billion on housing benefits.
The question is the breakdown to the £89b and if it can be reduced by 11. No luck finding any breakdown of that but last time they went at very aggressively and it didn't cut it as much as they thought. Poor decisions by the vetters. Labour say speed up the NHS appointment times. There are also all sorts of disabilities that can effect work including mental ones. I also wonder what will happen with some who live in an area where it's not easy to get a job. That can be age related, young or older.
Around my way and amongst various groups of friends this is looking like the most low key election i have ever seen absolutely no one getting into conversations over it local community facebook groups hardly mentioning it hardly any signs in windows etc
There are some unusual unknowns on this particular election here. It depends on how people are polled. The numbers show things are more volatile than they usually are.
First they ask have you made your mind up. Some say no and for some reason a higher proportion are women.
Next comes those that say yes. They are then asked if they are sure. Significant numbers say no.
Hoping I remember the number correctly this finishes up with 8m people who might really make their selection very late on. It's a very significant number anyway and is likely to affect results. More so than what is usually expected.
Labour really need a high turn out from their supporters but some might turn out not to be. Some Tory supporters might decide the best option is to stick with them. Libs, tricky they see certain areas as their best option same with Farage. All need to worry about the volatility.
All down to certain aspects of electioneering mostly aimed at reducing Labours majority / generally messing things up.
Farage and where he hopes to get elected. Interviews indicate he may not. LOL I live in hope.
First they ask have you made your mind up. Some say no and for some reason a higher proportion are women.
Next comes those that say yes. They are then asked if they are sure. Significant numbers say no.
Hoping I remember the number correctly this finishes up with 8m people who might really make their selection very late on. It's a very significant number anyway and is likely to affect results. More so than what is usually expected.
Labour really need a high turn out from their supporters but some might turn out not to be. Some Tory supporters might decide the best option is to stick with them. Libs, tricky they see certain areas as their best option same with Farage. All need to worry about the volatility.
All down to certain aspects of electioneering mostly aimed at reducing Labours majority / generally messing things up.
Farage and where he hopes to get elected. Interviews indicate he may not. LOL I live in hope.
All any of the Tory today can say concerns Labour getting the highest majority ever achieved by any party. One just threw in House Of Lords and a change to the voting system LOL which some may want. I am sure that they have threatened to end the house of lords in he past. Some people don't like the way it's formed anyway.
They don't seem to be that concerned about the other parties other than a vote for Farage is a vote for Labour. Interesting one. He'll pull labour voters as well.
The Libs are expecting more seats than they usually get since the coalition farce.
I don't think the polls mean a super huge Labour majority anyway. More that they are likely to achieve one. Size TBD.
They don't seem to be that concerned about the other parties other than a vote for Farage is a vote for Labour. Interesting one. He'll pull labour voters as well.
The Libs are expecting more seats than they usually get since the coalition farce.
I don't think the polls mean a super huge Labour majority anyway. More that they are likely to achieve one. Size TBD.
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I imagine two of the usual cadres, one of voters who won't betray a lifelong alliegance to the family colours despite their protestations in the runup, and a second which saw a bloke on telly they quite liked providing, a lifeline sparing the need for further thought.
It's a guess which way it'll go.
The prospect of any one the beligerent's cliques having reign to expose us to their "new" mantras is entirely unappealing.
It's a guess which way it'll go.
The prospect of any one the beligerent's cliques having reign to expose us to their "new" mantras is entirely unappealing.
Faragists are overwhelmingly Brexers
Of, or nearing, retirement age
Predominantly discontented Cons
There are very few young, or Labour.