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Big stick very one suffers.
I didn't but the change meant no possible gain to the company and this was a small pension scheme. My worry was the actuaries coming up with realistic numbers.
 
Semantics I think., (don't mean to be dismissive) Companies need to use pensions as a value-added proposition of the employment. Think the civil / pubic service pension for example. If this is removed, then the number will fail to add up.
 
I really don't have a problem paying tax on a pension or workplace and government pension. What I have a problem is the government sees as a financial pot they can dip into to fund their programmes either Tory, Labour or the other less serous parties.
You mean like Brexit £100billion
Test n trace £30billion
Bogus PPE contracts £4b
Michelle Mone £200million
Rwanda scheme £600million
 
Don't be silly Notch that is beneath you and only weakens any purposeful arguments you have
 
I really don't have a problem paying tax on a pension or workplace and government pension. What I have a problem is the government sees as a financial pot they can dip into to fund their programmes either Tory, Labour or the other less serous parties.

I don't know much about pensions. But are you talking about this sort of thing?

 
You are being more than a tad disingenuous

It is being funded by a windfall tax on energy companies so will get around £8b investment

thats substantially more than "a quango"

I agree its to a state owned GB energy company like EDF, but unions have calculate that would cost £80b which we dont have

Please try and look beyond your narrow "I hate Starmer" goggles

It will be dishing out grants with no responsibilty for infrastructure
 
There was significant factor on that. Misuse of funds especially company ones. Deliberately intending to make them over subscribed with the view of taking money out at some point. So as I understand it excess over actuary levels was taxed. This more or less put a complete end to company pensions - no new members in the one I was in for instance.
Gordon Brown's change was removal of the dividend tax concession. As I have shown by the worked example, the cost to policy holders was tiny, less than charges, and less than daily fluctuations.

Andy doesn't believe it but he can't say what it is that troubles him.
 
the wholesale raid

A tiny charge.

If you had a small workplace pension, tell me what you think it would be.

Any ad valorem tax gets the most money from those who have the most.

Unless, of course, there is special generosity to the rich.

Pensions are a sensitive subject, especially to those who are both wealthy, and old (members of the Conservative Party, for example) so it was a handy tool to whip up protest.

But the cost, to you? Trivial.
 
Wholesale raid is from a specialist in pensions if you have problem with that take it up with them. Of course, you could just display your hatred for the rich.
 
Wholesale raid is from a specialist in pensions if you have problem with that take it up with them. Of course, you could just display your hatred for the rich.

Expert?

Are you sure it isn't a publication owned by Daily Mail Group?

Is it someone who you think can be trusted to be fair and accurate when talking about the actions of a political party they don't like?

Let me guess, do they say "it would cost hardly anything to reverse it?" And also "the cost to pensioners has been huge?"

Which is it? Tiny or huge?

Best of all, try to tell what what, if anything, in my worked example you think is wrong.

I bet your "expert"didn't provide a worked example.

If you can't do that, try to tell me what the effect has been, on you. In 1997, did you have a £100,000 pension fund?
 
don't be a knob, just try to say what you think you have suffered.
 
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