Physician Associate, has anybody heard of these or been treated by one?

Lol, you think UK Drs are overpaid - you voted Tory, they want a fully privatised system - see how much Drs in the US are paid. You couldn't afford it.

Family Physician in the US - $240k

But the normal joe can't afford US doctors rates, If plumbers in the US were so over paid you would see underskilled people causing all sorts or sanitary and hygiene problems not to mention bacteria heaving problems on the health services..
 
But the normal joe can't afford US doctors rates, If plumbers in the US were so over paid you would see underskilled people causing all sorts or sanitary and hygiene problems not to mention bacteria heaving problems on the health services..

Hence why working g class US citizens can't afford health care, because doctors are over paid.
But the normal joe can't afford US doctors rates, If plumbers in the US were so over paid you would see underskilled people causing all sorts or sanitary and hygiene problems not to mention bacteria heaving problems on the health services..
 
The same Tory bots who want a high wage economy are the first to moan when people ask for better wages.

There are dogs and then there are Tory dogs eating their own tail.

Woof Woof.
Hence why working g class US citizens can't afford health care, because doctors are over paid.
 
it would be interesting to hear from somebody who is involved in medical practice

Yet you criticise from your position.
The people who arrange and work with this situation ARE those in a position to know.

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Doctors aren't a different breed of human. They do a lot of training - most of which is never used when they're a GP.
They get out of date quite quickly, and aren't rechecked on their knowledge afaik.

In the same way a pharmacist can decide whether you should see a doctor, someone with appropriate training can do likewise without going through the full Dr course.

I have a couple of slightly unusual things wrong with me, and invariably have to educate, or more commonly remind, new doctors I see. Particularly older ones.

I saw a consultant last week. He made a complete pigs ear of his assessment. He didn't have a full "history", just a brief letter from the GP. He arranged the test she'd sent me for and explained the results, but then he went on way outside what he could reasonably decide on. Madness.

My old mother has had a load of medical problems, enough to fill a book. She was recently in hospital with anaemia, and we had to tell the drs she'd had bowel cancer in the past. Then they went off to do extra scans etc. It's a crappy system.

WIth one of MY things, I did some reading and asked the GP if a particular scan would be appropriate for me. "Oh, hasn't anyone ever done one", came the reply.
The sooner they get proper intelligent computer diagnosis systems into GP surgeries, the better.
Computers never forget what you've had before.
If surgeries have a person to ask all those questions, and do simple stuff like blood tests and examinations, that sounds fine to me.


None of us likes i but GO receptionists ARE capable of broad screening, most of the time, which is why they ask what's up. If you have an ingrowing toenail, you aren't likely to be a case needing an urgent appointment, etc etc, even if YOU think you are.
 
Hence why working g class US citizens can't afford health care, because doctors are over paid.

Incorrect as usual. You did vote Brexit.

The US spends four times as much as the UK does on admin expenses as a percentage of total expenditure.

They creates an invoice for every procedure which is then sent to the insurers to challenge.

Admin costs are horrendous in the US.
 
To top it off in the US the medication prices are insane.

Yet dogs on here want a US style healthcare system.

To top it off they over consume services in the US - prime example in the UK a GP can deal with many minor issues unlike the US where you would end up seeing an ENT Surgeon for a cough.

Factor in the litigous nature and crazy indemnities a free for all US style system is just madness.

But dogs will be dogs.
 
Yet you criticise from your position.
The people who arrange and work with this situation ARE those in a position to know.

--

Doctors aren't a different breed of human. They do a lot of training - most of which is never used when they're a GP.
They get out of date quite quickly, and aren't rechecked on their knowledge afaik.

In the same way a pharmacist can decide whether you should see a doctor, someone with appropriate training can do likewise without going through the full Dr course.

I have a couple of slightly unusual things wrong with me, and invariably have to educate, or more commonly remind, new doctors I see. Particularly older ones.

I saw a consultant last week. He made a complete pigs ear of his assessment. He didn't have a full "history", just a brief letter from the GP. He arranged the test she'd sent me for and explained the results, but then he went on way outside what he could reasonably decide on. Madness.

My old mother has had a load of medical problems, enough to fill a book. She was recently in hospital with anaemia, and we had to tell the drs she'd had bowel cancer in the past. Then they went off to do extra scans etc. It's a crappy system.

WIth one of MY things, I did some reading and asked the GP if a particular scan would be appropriate for me. "Oh, hasn't anyone ever done one", came the reply.
The sooner they get proper intelligent computer diagnosis systems into GP surgeries, the better.
Computers never forget what you've had before.
If surgeries have a person to ask all those questions, and do simple stuff like blood tests and examinations, that sounds fine to me.


None of us likes i but GO receptionists ARE capable of broad screening, most of the time, which is why they ask what's up. If you have an ingrowing toenail, you aren't likely to be a case needing an urgent appointment, etc etc, even if YOU think you are.

You can say that about a lot of professionals - how much of their actual training do they use.
 
To top it off in the US the medication prices are insane.

Yet dogs on here want a US style healthcare system.

To top it off they over consume services in the US - prime example in the UK a GP can deal with many minor issues unlike the US where you would end up seeing an ENT Surgeon for a cough.

Factor in the litigous nature and crazy indemnities a free for all US style system is just madness.

But dogs will be dogs.

How many times can you use the term
"To top it off"
 
Your plumber has a lot more to pay out than your local GP.
He more than likely hasn't got a bumper pension or a bundle of paid holidays either like your Local GP

If he feels hard done by, he has no one that'll go on strike with him. If he did with all the rest of the plumbers I doubt there would be many deaths because of it.

I also doubt he gets a any back handers from the Pharmacy's.

Can you imagine no plumbers working at weekends or over the Christmas period.
None of that addresses inflation which has eroded pay for years
 
Are you suggesting that plumbers don't endure inflation?
I'm suggesting its a level playing field, inflation effects all but some are in a position to pass on the effects of it more than others.
 
Yet you criticise from your position.
The people who arrange and work with this situation ARE those in a position to know
I didnt criticise.

"the people who arrange and work with this situation ARE those in a position to know" -So what do you they say?

here is the General Practitioners Council, they are experts in the field:

GPC England expresses concern over increasing use of Physician Associates​


“GPs are expert medical generalists with the experience and medical knowledge to diagnose, treat, and manage multiple and complex conditions. PAs are not doctors, they are not regulated, and cannot prescribe. At best, this is confusing – at worst, it can threaten patient safety. This distinction must be protected: PAs cannot be used as a substitute for GPs, or in place of a GP when supervising GPs in training.
 
do they?

plumbers are now charging upto £650+ vat a day

not much enduring if you ask me
Must be all that multi tasking they were expected to do by employers that's increased their skills. Doctors will be able to do that when they learn the art of emptying bed pans, charge more.
 
I'm suggesting its a level playing field, inflation effects all but some are in a position to pass on the effects of it more than others.

I think I get what you mean. I'm toying buying what will be my final Van hopefully. That will be 40 grand. My work clothes have cost me a small fortune this year. I may buy a new desktop next year too. I'm constantly investing in tools.
I'm upgrading my tool cover as vans are getting broken into all the time. Year will add to the many subscriptions and insurances I already have.

What will NHS staff have to pay out in a typical year?
 
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