Whilst that might be true, isn't it the case that manufacturers will size the lead and make equipment suitable for where they know it will be connected?
Surely that relates only to the rating of plug fuse fitted - so 13A maximum OPD.
True, but do you not think that is taken into account in manufacture?
Unlikely to be found in a dwelling, but -
One would hope so, but it looks as if you didn't read carefully enough my comment which you quoted and to which you replied, because that's not what I was talking about.
In the UK, yes, but that was my very point. In a country where the plugs don't have fuses, the only thing protecting the flex would be the circuit's OPD - which might well be 'inadequate' to provide the usually-expected degree of protection to the flex.
One would hope so. However, I was merely pointing out (as I said, a little "pedantically') that a 13A fuse does not "limit the current to 13A".
[ thanks for replacing my asterisks with a number - as you will realise, I intended to go back and do that myself after I had 'checked' the calculation, but forgot! ]
That was exactly my point.
Again, my point is the flex will be adequate for the expected circuit OPD.
Yes, so what? One or the other.
As we often discuss, that certainly ought to be the case, but it doesn't seem to stop some manufacturers 'demanding' external 'low'-current protection rather than including it within their product (e.g. extractor fans). As you say, they presumably know that the circuit is (very!) unlikley to have 3A OPD, so 'demand' a 3A FCU to protect their product (which, if it really needs such protection, should have it provided internally!).
I think that the problem here is that, in order to make a point (about the main reason why UK plugs have fuses), we are talking about a non-existent (I think) hypothetical situation - namely a country which has ~32A sockets circuits but does not have fused plugs (or sockets). In that situation, any equipment which might produce a significant overload (which probably includes anything which has a significant motor) would have to come with 4mm² (or larger) flex. That would be the case if the UK had its present circuits but no plug fuses - hence, as above, is probably one of the main reasons why we do have fused plugs?
See above. As for "so what?", I'm not sure it would be very convenient to have to have 4mm² flex on, say, a hair dryer, would it ? As said, the fact that we have fused plugs removes any such need.
As you know, not all of them do demand that.
Well, yes that is why there are fused plugs but as I said your example of a large motor is not likely to be found in a dwelling and commercial premises do have 32A sockets.
No, of course not but that is not a significant motor and drying one's hair in a fan oven is inconvenient.
True - but many, perhaps even most,do.
You may be right. Who knows?!
The 'significant motors' I was thinking/talking about were those that one would find in WMs, DWs and dryers. I imagine that 'jammed current' is much the same as 'start-up current', and one often sees people saying that the latter may be 10-20 times the running current.
I really don't know how 'significant' is the motor (hence, its current draw when not rotating) in a hair drier. However, even if the motor (and its stalled current) is not 'significant in that particular case, as above, I suspect it probably is in some other ubiquitous domestic appliances.
As did the 10 A "Plug" and "Socket-Outlet"
I'm not sure it's quite that 'easy' - where did that first egg come from?
I think he's referring to amniotic eggs... (qv)
I realised that - but the question still arises as to where it came from.
Yes, of course, but the question (essentially down to arbitrary definition) is when the first chicken egg appeared.
...clearly ebee's answer was to a different interpretation of the question... I assume you missed this, or you would not have responded to his answer as you did.