Triple Lock Plus.

You'd do well to manage that nowadays.
I could save you enough to buy the same sort of house. It would take me longer, I’ll admit that.

My point is people won’t make the sacrifices nowadays. They don’t see the value in getting on the property ladder
 
walk in any macdonalds you will see a constant stream of just eat or whoever drivers delivering a 7 quid mac d `s at an additional cost over a fiver

I've already posted - a number of times - that I often drop off and collect my second-born from there, so I am well aware of this.

But, as you are fond of

basic maths

what proportion of the potential customer base, of any particular Maccies, do you think this "constant stream" is servicing?

And of that, what proportion do you think are not already "on the housing ladder", so can do whatever they like with their money?
 
I could save you enough to buy the same sort of house. It would take me longer, I’ll admit that.

My point is people won’t make the sacrifices nowadays. They don’t see the value in getting on the property ladder
yep can still be done , done it twice in the last ten years and know a few others that have as well
 
My point is people won’t make the sacrifices nowadays.

Some won't.
T'was ever thus.

They don’t see the value in getting on the property ladder

Some don't.
Some can't ever see the realistic prospect of doing so.
And the choice of language - "value", when speaking of "the property ladder" - says much about what is wrong with the situation, imho.

Jump on, or miss the boat!

Housing as an asset is one of the reasons why this country is in the mess that it is, imho.
 
daftest one i heard was 7 years ago guy at work sold his house and moved into rented because his house was going into negative equity.
Eh do you like your house .
yep its a great house position etc .
So why are you selling
Im getting out before we lose more money its went down 10k since we bought it .
How much is your rent going to be
oh about 650 a month
7 years on he is still in the same rented house .
Now there iis no telling some people
 
Housing as an asset is one of the reasons why this country is in the mess that it is, imho.

So you’d rather yourself and your kids work for 50 years and have no asset/s at the end ?

The property market is as good as any other investment.
 
I forgot another one for the list -- tuition fees - which party introduced that one, I cant remember.
 
Some won't.
T'was ever thus.



Some don't.
Some can't ever see the realistic prospect of doing so.
And the choice of language - "value", when speaking of "the property ladder" - says much about what is wrong with the situation, imho.

Jump on, or miss the boat!

Housing as an asset is one of the reasons why this country is in the mess that it is, imho.
you are arguing with bigoted idiots, I wouldnt bother

this is the simple fact:

the affordability ratio for house buying is about half what it was when they were buying
 
you are arguing with bigoted idiots, I wouldnt bother

this is the simple fact:

the affordability ratio for house buying is about half what it was when they were buying
really i bought a house 2.5 years ago you saying prices have shot up since then
 
So you’d rather yourself and your kids work for 50 years and have no asset/s at the end ?

The property market is as good as any other investment.

Therein lies the problem.
If property was no good "as an investment", the logical corollary of that statement is that it does not outperform other means of increasing "wealth".
And would therefore, always remain within the grasp of the average person's means.

It follows that a place in which to live and, perhaps, raise a family, would not continue to move further and further away from what "the average" person can reasonably afford.
Which is where we are now.
The wealthy getting wealthier, and the have nots getting further and further cut-off.

I have no problem with people making their fortunes from entrepreneurism, through being the best TikTokker or making better mobile phones or car tyres or chocolate bars than anyone else. I do however baulk at an essential - somewhere to live - being used as a means to enrich some, at the expense of a growing number of others.

We've already gone from "affordability" being 25yr mortgages and single-income, to 40yrs and dual-income (and not always so, for a growing number of couples). And a big leg-up from "bank of mom and dad" being not a niceity, but a necessity.

Where next? The Japanese situation, where you take out 100yr mortgages, which are passed through the generations? Who is benefitting from that?
 
Where next? The Japanese situation, where you take out 100yr mortgages, which are passed through the generations? Who is benefitting from that?

Like I said if you take the posh parts of the uk out of the equation, houses are affordable.

They have gone up, but those houses in Chelsea that cost 100k and are now 5 million throw the average house price all over the place.

I sold a house in 2008 for 120k, it’s in a lovely little village. It’s now worth 170k. Yeah it’s gone up, but wages have.

I really can’t see the issue.


In 2008 it was approx 4.8x earnings, today it’s the same.
 
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