Wales becomes Trumpton

noseall said:
I'm a dodderer. I tend to hover around the speed limit. I can let my speed wander if I'm distracted by say a difficult job, whereby I'm on my way to the builders merchants to pick up various pipe couplings, to repair the water main we've just broken, on a house that homes four infant kids and two adults. I tend to snap back to speed check mode when I see speed signs etc.


Then there are people that constantly have their foot down - [unts.
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Get some further training. It will improve your driving. It sounds like you have poor observation skills and don't actively create a driving plan to keep you focused. Everyone can get distracted if the task is not demanding enough.
 
motorbiking said:
It sounds like you have poor observation skills and don't actively create a driving plan to keep you focused. Everyone can get distracted if the task is not demanding enough.
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No, not really. I'm not talking about any prolonged or frequent incidents here. Nor are we talking about large discrepancies of speed either.
 
It's irrelevant how fast or slow you drive if you aren't concentrating on the task. Is human nature to be distracted. There are techniques you will learn even on a 1 day course that will help you.
 
motorbiking said:
It's irrelevant how fast or slow you drive if you aren't concentrating on the task. Is human nature to be distracted. There are techniques you will learn even on a 1 day course that will help you.
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I'm doing ok, thanks. If I rack up a load of points, get banned from driving or set off the speed cameras or get caught speeding, then I'll buzz you.

Focus your efforts on those that think it's their right to drive at whatever speed they see fit. (y)
 
diy_fun_uk said:
On reading the last few pages I'm not sure if some people are or aren't in favour of 20 zones. Surely we'd all support them in areas such as housing schemes that tend to have narrower streets, lots of vehicles parked often on both sides and pedestrians that can sometimes appear from nowhere?
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20 mph schemes reduce accidents but dont improve driving, its quite possible to drive dangerously at 20 through poor manoeuvring, pulling out without looking, or just relying on other drivers to be careful on your behalf. IME the most considerate (urban) drivers are tradies in vans, the least considerate are middle aged women in Q7s on their way back from Waitrose or dropping their kids at private school, they think their motor gives them automatic right of way in every situation.
 
blup said:
its quite possible to drive dangerously at 20 through poor manoeuvring, pulling out without looking, or just relying on other drivers to be careful on your behalf
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Absolutely.

Imagine doing the above going 15mph faster. MBK thinks that is great and it's his and others right to do so.
 
noseall said:
Absolutely.

Imagine doing the above going 15mph faster. MBK thinks that is great and it's his and others right to do so.
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That poor calf was definitely hit at below 20 yesterday. I take the point that speed alone is not determinative, but it has to be a factor.
 
Brigadier said:
Attacking the poster and not the post.....
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If MBK thinks it's his right to travel at whatever speed he sees fit, irrespective of the dangers (to others) involved, or who gets hurt, then I'll say what I damn well please. He has said many times on here, that ignoring the speed limits is ok, if he feels the conditions allow him to do so.

Fúck him and his lead foot.
 
Breaking the law is a personal moral choice. For example if you were in the middle of nowhere at a red light with no traffic around, would you stay there for hours waiting for it to turn red? Or take a view that the red light was serving no purpose, and proceed.

I actually had this situation recently, where the oncoming traffic was on permanent green.
 
ROSPA
Two thirds of collisions in which people are killed or seriously and slightly injured happen on roads with a speed limit of 30mph or less.
Table 1: People killed or injured in collisions on GB roads in 2022, depending on speed limit.


Speed limitKilledSeriously injuredSlightly injured
20mph or less683,19218,453
30mph53213,89069,727
All other roads (30mph+, including motorways)1,11110,94917,558


Cyclists are also vulnerable in built-up areas, with more than half of cyclist deaths (59 of 97) and serious cyclist casualties (3,969 of 4,469) occurring on built-up roads.

This is why the Department for Transport encourages traffic authorities to consider the introduction of more 20mph limits and zones, over time, in urban areas and built-up village streets that are primarily residential, to ensure greater safety for cyclists and pedestrians.
RoSPA also encourages planners to pay attention to lower speeds in built-up areas, with active travel like walking and cycling promoted as a positive option.

I made some of that bold to indicate who wants it and where. This isn't what Wales have done. Looks like some councils in England may have implemented the idea poorly. It's what happens when universal rules are not applied. It goes do what ever rather than stick to rules such as the standard ones relating to speed. Residential roads are pretty obvious. Maybe some would need a sign, I can think of loads that wouldn't.

LOL However.I live on a city B road. It is residential and long. No yellow lines but it's unusual for anyone to park on it, 2 lane busy road. Deliveries might but that slows the traffic down. Pass but does that need a 20mph limit? Lower speeds also tend to build up traffic density. The road I live on is well used. Accidents are pretty rare. One rather unusual death that I mentioned in another post.
 
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